It strikes me after watching Trump's
performance in Europe and everyone's reaction to it that we have
forgotten who we are. Whether or not Trump has been deliberately
trying to destabilize the United States, Europe, or our alliances, in
some kind of payback to Putin for past monetary favors is really
irrelevant to what we need to focus on. That question is for others
to investigate. No, what we as Americans or citizens of what is
called the West need to remember is something larger.
Why was America created, why did we in
the West fight against Nazi Germany? Simply put it was to create a
world where people do have a say in their own governance. It was to
create a world where we the people could get to decide how our lives
are lived. We did not want to leave it up to a single person, like a
dictator or a king/queen, to control how we lived. Sure, we the
people have made mistakes, it comes with being human. Yes, even
that greed that rears its head in the search for easy money. But
because we have made mistakes does not mean we need a single “strong
man” to tell us how to live.
President Trump has continually
attacked the press as giving us “fake news”. We need to remember
that the press, even with all its faults, does serve a purpose. It
is our eyes and ears to events and actions taken by others on our
behalf. It is our watchdog, and that is the real reason it is being
attacked by President Trump. There is a scene from the movie “The
Post” which says it best.
President Trump has attacked our allies
and our alliances, for whatever reason, but we need to remember that
they were put in place for a reason. They are not our enemies.
They may not have always agreed with everything we did, but they have
stood our friends when needed the most. And before we throw them
over for someone like Putin it would be in our interest to also
remember who Putin really is. His idea of governance is exactly what we have fought against.
We the people have some strong tools
put in place to make sure that government by the people, for the
people continues to exist. But it is really up to us to exercise
them.
As long as we believe in ourselves, we
can overcome those who would tear us apart.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 244 of 244Well, that was quick enough, they'll be willing to call photons a ‛kind of gauge boson’, not quite the real thing, but gotta go with that bein’ part of the name because they already said it had to be bosons at the bottom, so photons gotta be bosons. (A bit of circular logic there, but what the hell ‾\_(ツ)_/‾.)
[Moronic Troll]: "I'm comfortable with calling it a discovery as of last summer, confirming one set of predictions, disproving another old theory (i.e. that neutrinos only interact with other types of matter via the weak nuclear force)"
Are you a completely illiterate frickin' moron?? I know you don't understand any of this stuff, but the frickin' announcement paper SAYS IT'S A WEAK NUCLEAR REACTION!!!!
[Idiot troll]: "Are photons considered ‛gage bosons’? I'd have to look that up to know for sure (non-furious googling...)"
Of course they're gauge bosons. The Great and Wonderful Petes said so. I repeat: There is no other way for a particles to interact except by the exchange of gauge bosons.
[Troll]: "However, W particles carry a charge, and their interactions are sometimes electrical, not weak nuclear (depending on what it's interacting with). Again for emphasis that interaction is electrical, not weak nuclear. Get back your furious googling and check it out; you'll learn some more; you'll learn I'm right; and there's more yet for you to learn."
And here again you betray yer complete and unbounded cluelessness. The W particle is a messenger particle in a weak force interaction. A weak force interaction involving a charged boson by definition involves an exchange of charge. The things that are doing the interacting are the things exchanging charge. Again, if ya knew what a Feynman diagram was, ya'd know this. Ya ever heard of conservation of electric charge? It's a pretty fundamental law of physics (so I guess ya probably haven't ;-)
An electrical (or electromagnetic) interaction does not involve an exchange of charge. How could it possibly? That would imply that interacting electrons change their charge. They don't. They exchange photons which carry energy only (or if we're being picky: energy, momentum and spin).
Exchange of W bosons (called charged current interaction) change the charges of the interacting particles. That's what happens in beta decay (and its inverse), which transforms a neutron into a proton plus an electron and electron neutrino, with the exchange of a W-. Charge is conserved, as it must be.
So the scattering interactions that our Chicago friends have observed BY DEFINITION cannot be charged current interactions. Since scattering does not change the species of particles involved, it has to BY DEFINITION be a neutral current interaction involving Z bosons. And by the way, what the Chicago people observed was neutrino-nucleus scattering, so there were no electron involved in any case.
Right. I don't mind writing lecture notes for folks wantin' to learn somethin', but for an unappreciative shit flingin' obscurantist moron ... not so much. I ain't gonna school you any further. Here's a primer on weak interactions and their Feynman diagrams. Go study. Happy to answer questions, but I'm busy and can't deal with any more of the Jesuitical crap. Yore welcome.
"but the frickin' announcement paper SAYS IT'S A WEAK
NUCLEAR REACTION!!!!"
Well the neutrino side of the collision is a result of the weak nuclear force. That was the new stuff--that was what was important to them. The electrically charged bosons (the side of the interaction that they weren't interested in putting up on their banner and that you wish to ignore), those are old hat, they've been claimed for years.
"That's what happens in beta decay. ***
Charge is conserved, as it must be.
Ah, now you are stumbling unknowingly towards enlightenment. (Good chance you'll see it coming in time to flee away from it, but maybe…)
There isn't any beta decay here. But, the charge must be conserved; it must go somewhere.
Think on these things. (And we'll soon discover whether or not you're trapped unwillingly into the truth, like having stepped up against a flypaper and find yourself unable to escape, or whether you see it coming in time to flee.)
"There is no other way for a particles to interact except
by the exchange of gauge bosons."
That, of course, is one of the central tenets of quantum theory--that doesn't make it necessarily true--there's still some holes in that program that they've not filled, and a lot of what they've filled already is just names picked out to cover up the ‛don't know’, which is hard for them to say, so they give it a name, and walk away, and hope the rest of the world don't notice what they just did. But, that's another discussion for another time….
In the current thread, the name you give the things isn't really important here, especially when the name is just a cover for ‛don't really know’.
[Troll]: "There isn't any beta decay here. But, the charge must be conserved; it must go somewhere."
You frickin' moron. Of course there's no beta decay. It's a NEUTRAL CURRENT INTERACTION. There are no charged bosons involved, only neutral Z bosons. Charge is conserved because no charge is exchanged. No, the charge must NOT "go somewhere". From an electric charge point of view there's nothing to explain. My god you are dim, even beyond my expectations (and they were pretty low).
"There are no charged bosons involved, only neutral Z bosons."
One more time (Although, it's becoming clear to me that you see the truth closing in on you in time to flee; you'll manage an escape here very soon; probably a lot of shouting and name calling and then you'll run away hoping that shouting and name calling was sufficient diversion.)
But, as I said; one more time… Those W bosons you made note of earlier are charged charged bosons. You can't make them disappear just by ignoring them. The charge has to go somewhere. Think on that.
To whomever may be following this, if anyone ever…:
Petes first noticed the W bosons at (Petes @ Fri Jul 20, 05:04:00 pm--prior page). He neglected to mention that they carried a charge, and then quickly tried to lose them in the shuffle when he realized that I already knew about them, and about the electrical charge they carried. He's been doing his damnedest to write them out of existence ever since.
Okay, and a brief change of subject to something perhaps more amusing that watching Petes try to think up new vulgar names to call me… (Which is getting hard for him as he's pretty much run through his repertoire.)
Roseanne Barr is now claiming that her television show on ABC was canceled because she voted for Trump. link As if ABC didn't already know she'd voted for Trump when they bought the show in the first place--hell, everybody knew, being Roseanne Barr, she was almost obnoxiously loud about it from day one.
The Republicans are going to hold their 2020 convention in Charlotte, North Caroline. Baby Trump Blimps are coming soon to America. (There will be at least three, if they last long enough that'll be enough….)
[Troll]: "...watching Petes try to think up new vulgar names to call me"
Well, the blog ethos was supposed to be "No gratuitous cussin' or provocations thereto". But yore right. I oughta watch my language.
"Petes first noticed the W bosons at (Petes @ Fri Jul 20, 05:04:00 pm--prior page)."
LOL. I first noticed W bosons over thirty years ago, in this book.
[Troll]: "He neglected to mention that they carried a charge, and then quickly tried to lose them in the shuffle when he realized that I already knew about them, and about the electrical charge they carried."
LOL again. I neglected to mention them because they are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the conversation at hand. That is, until you started spouting unbelievable nonsense about "electromagnetism being a weak interaction" and W bosons being involved in electrical interactions. You're so lost at this point I don't think I can reorient ya in the right direction. Certainly not willing to spend the time trying.
[Troll]: "He's been doing his damnedest to write them out of existence ever since."
Nope. They are all over the learning materials I graciously linked you to. Speaking of which ... I don't remember seeing any links from you. Funny that. All these grand assertions and not a single reference of any sort whatsoever to back you up. "Yore audience" might be wondering why I'm the posting all the links and it's all tumbleweed on yore side.
"I don't remember seeing any links from you. Funny that. "
Not at all; I didn't need them (except the few I used). Neither did you for the most part; in fact, they seem to have gotten in your way. You've fallen victim to the fallacy known argumentum ad verecundiam, and, worse, you've misapplied your authorities.
Going back to the fallacy though, you've always been blinded by authority; makes it hard for you to actually think on your own. You've gotten to the point where you don't even seem to know how to actually think for yourself any more. The Chicago experiments are new stuff, the authorities you know of don't seem to know how to deal with it yet; they're invested in their high-dollar experiments at the high-power, high-dollar CERN bureaucracy, so they've seemingly ignored it. This leaves you unable to cope. You just repeat the old stuff over and over. You circle ‛round the corpse, unable to comprehend or move on.
And, I meant you first noticed (or, at least, first mentioned) the creation of the W bosons in Chicago at (Petes @ Fri Jul 20, 05:04:00 pm--prior page). I'm more than happy to amend my earlier post to ‛first mentioned’; it makes no significant difference. Petty point not worth a second thought.
"…the authorities you know of don't seem to know how
to deal with it yet…"
Or, maybe they've taken notice of it, maybe they're working on even now, and just forgot to call you and let you know.
And, you ain't foolin’ me a bit. The only reason you're givin’ up the name-callin’ (assuming you can pull that off, which is no sure bet) is because it hasn't had the desired effect. You ain't suddenly gotten grown out of your infantile stage. But ya are smart ‛nuff to notice that it wasn't workin’. Still, habits are habits so you're likely to fall back into it after a bit.
[Troll]: "The Chicago experiments are new stuff, the authorities you know of don't seem to know how to deal with it yet; they're invested in their high-dollar experiments at the high-power, high-dollar CERN bureaucracy, so they've seemingly ignored it. This leaves you unable to cope. You just repeat the old stuff over and over. You circle ‛round the corpse, unable to comprehend or move on."
Ok, give me links to the findings from the Chicago experiments.
OH WAIT, don't bother. I GAVE THEM TO YOU DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF POSTS AGO. Gave you links and references and told you which specific piece to look at. The fact that you didn't says everything "yore audience" needs to know. There are no charged W bosons in the Chicago announcement paper. There are no charged current interactions. There is no charge transfer. (If ya knew anything about anything you'd know why there COULDN'T be).
Ya got anything else?
"Ya got anything else?"
Yeah, I don't have to prove what you've already admitted and we both know to be true.
"The text makes clear there are also charged
current interactions with charged leptons. Those are
the ones involving the W+ and W- bosons…"
Petes @ Wed Jul 18, 01:57:00 pm--prior page
Now you're just wasting my time. (You're wasting your time too, but I don't car ‛bout that.) You need to step up your game.
Missed an ‛e’ there (he's getting close to the taking delight in spellings stage).
And, just for the record, if you think you notice a creeping overlay of contempt, you're not wrong. For a while there I was thinking that maybe you were just confused. But, I'm fairly convinced that's not it; you know you're wrong; you know I'm right. You just don't know what to do about it; so now you're just circling and wasting my time while you try to think of something.
You're hunting for a Maronite who'll say what you want said. Ain't gonna happen. They say different; they always did; they always will.
[Troll]: "Yeah, I don't have to prove what you've already admitted and we both know to be true: "The text makes clear there are also charged current interactions with charged leptons. Those are the ones involving the W+ and W- bosons…" Petes @ Wed Jul 18, 01:57:00 pm--prior page"
That's right. The text makes clear that charged current interaction EXIST... specifically to distinguish them from the elastic scattering interactions being measured by the Chicago folks. Figure 1A versus Figure 1B. The reason is the energy scales of the two overlap, so they have to take care that they are measuring the former, which is the only one they are interested in. The Chicago experiment has sweet damn all to do with charged current interactions, other than making sure they don't interfere with the actual desired measurements. The fact ya don't know that is not surprisin'. The surprisin' thing is that you've got the brass neck to pretend ya know what the hell yore talkin' about.
No response. Troll has got hisself alarmed and gone back to furious Googlin' ;-)
You jumped in too soon on the ‛no response’ thing; you're too eager for a sign. Ain't no sign gonna be forthcoming… I just decided to look at my spelling a second time, ‛cause you're gettin’ to that stage.
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"…so they have to take care that they are measuring
the former, which is the only one they are interested in."
Yeah, and, as I mentioned before, they were only interested in the Z boson actions; the other interactions didn't interest them. Known stuff, old hat, already claimed years ago by somebody else; they weren't interested in what don't make their names.
But still--there it was, and there it is still. The fact that they were tracking the Z boson stuff don't make the other stuff go away. We went over this once before. (Lee C. @ Fri Jul 20, 08:08:00 pm ↑↑)
All you're doing is circling. You're wasting my time. Get an argument. A real one; a new one, something you haven't already lost. Otherwise I'm going to make you wait until tomorrow before I swat you down again if you just circle ‛round again. You can friggin’ wait--I'll waste your time this time (‛cause you won't be able to let it go overnight while it won't bother me even a little bit).
And, I just happen to have recorded some stuff from the airwaves that will keep me entertained for the next few hours anyway. Gotta be better than watchin’ you keep circlin’ ‛round the corpse of what you know.
I'll look back in on things after a couple of hours--gives you time to get a real argument this time.
Take the time; use it well. You really need to up your game here.
[Troll]: "Yeah, and, as I mentioned before, they were only interested in the Z boson actions; the other interactions didn't interest them."
Funny that, seein' as yore the moron that brought the Chicago measurements up as an example. (Troll @ Mon Jul 16, 08:43:00 pm). Now yore admittin' the Chicago measurements had nothing to do with charged current interactions. Hardly surprisin' you've been confused from the get go.
Tell ya what. I already offered ya $1,000 for any evidence that neutrinos take part in electromagnetic interactions, or anything other than weak interactions. That still stands. I've also given ya references to all the interactions they do take part in. (Don't worry, I knew ya didn't understand them. That's expected). So far, you've cited one Sci Am article which ya now admit is irrelevant to yore moronic argument.
Folks are gonna be concludin' that yore a moronic troll. But if ya got anything other than tumbleweed and more obfuscation, I'm listenin'. For now. Clock's runnin' down on ya. Time to put up or shut up, I ain't got much more time to waste on ya.
Compute chimed and I looked up….
Here's the thing… I've had enough of you trolling me (and admitting it) and simultaneously calling me [Troll] every time you want to refer to me. You think you're too cute there.
From here on out I'm gonna remember you as Irish Catholic Pedophile in all references. It'll help remind the world of the Irish Catholic Pedophiles whom you've rubbed shoulders with over the years. Can't hurt to remind the world of the Catholic pedophiles, especially the Irish ones. Doesn't have to be true--you've made ‛true’ irrelevant to your posts--might as well apply the same rule to you that you apply at your discretion. (Quick little macro and remapping and it'll type out in a couple of keystrokes.)
That's all for now. You can wait for the response to your current circle back 'til morning.
Ciao for now.
Or, maybe, just Catholic Pedophile would be a better reminder to the world, or Catholic Pedophile Priest--I've got lots of time to consider the best phrasing. Ain't important that I lock it down tonight.
And now for real…
Ciao for now.
That Putin special on CNN included nothing new. I did manage to sleep through the first 20 minutes, but I don't think I missed much considering what I did catch.
LOL. Troll's gittin' ornery. Call me anything ya like, it's all just part of the nasty trollin'. Pretty obvious y'all are flounderin' around lookin' for a way out yer latest embarrassment. Even brought up the Maronites again. Oh yeah, just on that score -- found a vid in which both Maronite bishops of the USA refer to the Pope as the head of the Maronite Church. Can't get more authoritative than that. Segments from 5:30 to 6:30 and 25:00 to 27:00 (and yep, they explicitly call him the head of the church). Yore welcome.
However, let that not distract us from the continuing tumbleweed on the neutrino issue.
"That Putin special on CNN included nothing new."
Doesn't mean it's not a good idea to keep watch on such things. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the dominoes started fallin’ hell of a lot faster these next six to eight weeks. May even be that weekend specials get a lot more newsworthy here soon.
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"Call me anything ya like."
Catholic Pedophile @ Sat Jul 21, 12:33:00 am ↑↑
Ah, permission, I was so afraid that I would not get permission. That makes it all better now.
"However, let that not distract us from the continuing
tumbleweed on the neutrino issue."
Catholic Pedophile @ Sat Jul 21, 12:33:00 am ↑↑
Okay then…. Go for it. Give it your best shot. (Hope ya actually got something for us this time.)
[Troll]: "Catholic Pedophile @ Sat Jul 21, 12:33:00 am ↑↑ Ah, permission, I was so afraid that I would not get permission. That makes it all better now."
LOL. Well now, it ain't like I can do anything about it. If ya were in my jurisdiction it would be criminal defamation and ya'd be getting a cease and desist from a lawyer. And jes' for the record, in case it ever becomes relevant, I don't give my assent. But since ya are a free agent, and seein' how this is the internet, ya can get up to whatever criminal behaviour ya like if ya wanna take the risk.
[Petes]: "However, let that not distract us from the continuing tumbleweed on the neutrino issue."
[Moronic Troll]: "Okay then…. Go for it."
Sure. I can say it as often as ya like. I provided all the necessary evidence that the only force described by QFT by which neutrinos interact is the weak nuclear force. The troll only provided tumbleweed, in spite of a juicy $1,000 offer. The average sane person would conclude that the troll ain't *got* nothin'.
So, ya got nothin’ then. Well, not surprised.
And, I got a few more hours before the morning's up. So, I think I'll make some more coffee.
Trumptweets are fairly circumspect this morning and he's even used a $3 dollar word and in a further tell, he's failed to find a superlative to dress up his morning. And it's a Saturday too.
Obviously somebody wrested his twitterphone away from him on the news of those Cohen tapes. Or, more likely, they snagged it while he slept. That won't last long; he always finds where they hide it.
"I already offered ya $1,000 for any evidence that
neutrinos take part in electromagnetic interactions….
*** That still stands."
Catholic Pedophile @ Fri Jul 20, 11:59:00 pm ↑↑
I don't believe anybody's ever contested that much. What you got wrong was:
"[Neutrinos] only interaction with other matter is via
the weak nuclear force…"
Catholic Pedophile @ Thu Jul 12, 07:15:00 pm (previous page)
That's what I challenged. ↑↑ And you still don't seem to wanna put your bet up on that.
So… I think I've come up with a reasonable compromise for you getting your first assertion wrong and then trying to weasel your way past that mistake by trying to switch it out for a different thing entirely; I think it's a reasonable compromise for your demonstrated malicious intent.
You should put up that $1,000 donation you've been waving around and never intended pay, and pay it to a charity of your own choice. You can post a copy of the canceled check after it clears (front and back) on that web site where you laid down the fake antifa photograph you tried to sell to us on way back when the neo-nazis and Klansmen were running loose in Charlottesville. (Nobody's gonna believe you otherwise.)
I think the Catholic Church calls that sort of thing penance and claims it can get ya back in good graces with God; and you almost certainly need some of that after these last few days.
"So far, you've cited one Sci Am article…"
Catholic Pedophile @ Fri Jul 20, 11:59:00 pm ↑↑
Kinda knocks down your ‛googling furiously’ fantasy, don't it?
"Clock's runnin' down on ya."
Catholic Pedophile @ Fri Jul 20, 11:59:00 pm ↑↑
Not even; I'm in full control of the clock.
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"…and yep, they explicitly call him the head of the church"
Catholic Pedophile @ Sat Jul 21, 12:33:00 am ↑↑
Neither of them said that. Besides which, Maronites consider themselves to be Catholics as well as Maronites (dual citizenship--like federalism--one can be both a Texan and an American, so Maronite and Catholic), so ‛head of the church’ wouldn't have proved anything even if they had said it, which none of them did. You need them to designate the Pope as head of the Maronite Church, which is never gonna happen.
They were very careful about that. They always are. You think Lynnette can't tell? She's not stupid. You just wasted her time on this nonsense.
Gonna cost you time on the clock for that little display of malice and duplicity even if you don't pay the penance money; I'm gonna make you wait; I can at least extract a little time. I'll let you know when that's gonna happen.
Note to Lynnette (and Marcus):
Check the tape if you doubt me; Catholic Pedophile gave ya the timestamps--none of the three of them came even close to saying ‛The Pope is the head of the Maronite Church’. They're always careful to never say that, however much the Pope and his Catholic Pedophile minion here might want to hear it.
Trumptweets are fairly circumspect this morning and he's even used a $3 dollar word and in a further tell, he's failed to find a superlative to dress up his morning. And it's a Saturday too.
Perhaps he's wondering who else may have tapes? And whose hands they may fall into.
"… who else may have tapes?"
Perhaps a more immediate issue would be how many more tapes did Michael Cohen have? Of what exactly? And do the prosecutors have those too?
TrumpTweets: It would seem that Trump found his twitterphone by early evening yesterday and was off on a tear about the Mueller investigation (kinda related to the taped conversations, but not directly).
And, turns out Trump wasn't through tweeting for the morning. Just minutes ago thinking about the Mueller investigation lead Trump's train of thought to how great a meeting he had with Putin just the other day. "GREAT meeting", evil media, NO COLLUSION.
Okaayyy… (to quote Dan Coates)
A lawyer secretly taping his client and none of ya'll even question that? He should be arrested and his tapes impounded and then he should be disbarred.
It turns out that New York is one of those states which allow a person to tape a conversation to which he or she is a party---put another way, it was perfectly legal in New York where Cohen and Trump kept their offices in Tower (where the conversation likely took place). The same law applies as well to phone conversations in New York--it's what they call a ‛single party consent’ state. Cohen had, in the past, allowed Trump to listen to several tapes Cohen had made of other people (that may have been illegal or unethical), so Trump was aware of Cohen's habits in this regard.
And…. There's no Bar Association rules against it either. Turns out lawyers often have to deal with fairly unethical people so they're allowed to tape their conversations with their clients to protect themselves from subsequent accusations by their clients, a ‛just in case’ sort of thing. (It's against the rules to use such tapes, to disclose them, except under fairly strict rules, but it's not against the rules to make and keep such tapes.)
Oh, and Cohen is almost certainly going to get disbarred before this is all over.
May be the least of his worries.
NBCNews takes note of the similarities between Trump's demonization of Mueller, and Nixon's demonization of Archibald Cox.
It didn't work for Nixon, but, Nixon didn't have FoxNews. That may make the difference.
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