This is a video of interviews with three men who grew up in North Korea and are now living outside their home country. While it does not go into their personal journeys, it does give us a little insight into the people of North Korea, and their perceptions of America. Considering recent events with that country I thought it might be of interest.
Sunday 3 September 2017
Voices from the Dark
For the past few weeks we have been seeing missiles flying from North Korea in some kind of desperate attempt at intimidation. The Trump administration has responded with an escalation of provocative rhetoric. So what are we to make of this? Are we on the verge of war because of the impulsive acts of two leaders who are intemperate in nature? How do North Koreans see the situation? How do they see us?
This is a video of interviews with three men who grew up in North Korea and are now living outside their home country. While it does not go into their personal journeys, it does give us a little insight into the people of North Korea, and their perceptions of America. Considering recent events with that country I thought it might be of interest.
This is a video of interviews with three men who grew up in North Korea and are now living outside their home country. While it does not go into their personal journeys, it does give us a little insight into the people of North Korea, and their perceptions of America. Considering recent events with that country I thought it might be of interest.
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1 – 200 of 352 Newer› Newest»I haven't even gotten to the other one, and you're giving me another 30 minutes? Well, I'll try to get to this one sooner. It is fairly topical.
The North Koreans have amped up their nuke testing again. Shorthands has responded with a twitterstorm. Nothin’ new there. Yet.
Well, I'll try to get to this one sooner. It is fairly topical.
I thought so, especially with the recent testing of what they are calling a hydrogen bomb.
It did finally answer a question I had, which was what they were saying about us to get so many people on board with their hate America agenda. I had not heard about the Sinchon incident that North Korea claims was under our watch. I haven't studied the Korean War.
"I haven't studied the Korean War."
I don't think that will turn up when one studies the Korean War. It'll only turn up when one studies North Korea's subsequent civil propaganda and mind control programs.
Oh, yeah; there was one other subject I'd intended to mention (that third one I never got around to taking up) at the end of the last thread. Petes decided to end his little tirade with a reference to it.
"1. According to Chumpy, ‘It is just barely remotely possible that
Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly. Not bloody
damn likely, but just remotely possible.’ (Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm)"
He ended it up by having himself a real rant ‘bout why wouldn't I accommodate his desire to argue the probabilities on that subject? Well, he'd already admitted to the conclusion, that's why.
"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm
He'd admitted to the conclusion, but still wanted to argue about the evidence. I didn't. Getting to the conclusion was quite sufficient in my book.
Secretary of Defense, James Mattis, has issued a warning to North Korea that, "Any threat to the United States or its territories including Guam or our allies will be met with a massive military response." The Hill not WaPo
I'm guessing that's supposed to mean ‘any new threat’ on account of North Korea's already made a bunch of such threats these past few months.
DACA is the acronym for ‘Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals’. It designates a program that lets illegal immigrants who were brought here as young children when their parents sneaked in with them in tow, and who know no other home country, to continue to live and work here pending a more permanent work-out of their legal status. There's probably a couple million of them.
Obama instituted the DACA program to give them legal status pending the finalization of their status. Maybe half of them signed up for legal status (the rest didn't trust our government and stayed hid).
Shorthands is canceling their legal status and now the ones who signed up to try to get themselves legal are at a special risk of being rounded up and shipped off to countries they do not even remember. Foreign country; foreign culture; someplace they do not understand.
Shorthands is giving Congress six month to override his decision. Just one more instance of him trying to get somebody else to save him from a problem he doesn't want to deal with. (Official announcement not out yet--supposedly coming officially on Tuesday.) It's possible that the uproar will reverse him, but not likely. Trying to force somebody else to fix his problems for him is beginning to look like one of his signature moves.
I was just going to comment about that. The man has yet to make a major decision that I agree with. I am starting to cringe every time I see him on television. *sigh*
I feel so sorry for those poor people who are being punished for something they didn't even do.
"I was just going to comment about that."
Don't let me stop you. I'm not in favor of increased immigration; I figure we got enough people already, but this is outrageous.
A rallying cry for the resistance.
We can fight like hell for our ideas to prevail. But we have to respect each other or at least respect the fact that we need each other.
That has never been truer than today, when Congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed and can be impulsive in his speech and conduct.
We must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. We must, where we can, cooperate with him. But we are not his subordinates. We don’t answer to him. We answer to the American people. We must be diligent in discharging our responsibility to serve as a check on his power. And we should value our identity as members of Congress more than our partisan affiliation. John McCain
Trump has given them the perfect opportunity with his passing of the buck on DACA. Congress can take the lead and find a solution that will treat fairly these people who were brought here as children and know no other home.
[Chumpy]: "Oh, yeah; there was one other subject I'd intended to mention..."
In fact, y'all did already mention it -- at the end of the last thread. Reckoned y'all had found somethin' to crow about so ya duplicated it here, in case "your audience" would miss your coup de grâce, yer final little rhetorical flourish. Characteristically pathetic. I was gonna let sleeping dogs lie, on account of it wouldn't be fair to expose yer idiocy yet again in front of "your audience". But I reckon y'all's fair game now. Let's have a look at the colour of the sky in Chumpy-world:
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Petes decided to end his little tirade with a reference to it.
"1. According to Chumpy, ‘It is just barely remotely possible that
Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly. Not bloody
damn likely, but just remotely possible.’ (Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm)"
He ended it up by having himself a real rant ‘bout why wouldn't I accommodate his desire to argue the probabilities on that subject? Well, he'd already admitted to the conclusion, that's why.
"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm
He'd admitted to the conclusion, but still wanted to argue about the evidence.
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Now, let's look at the real world, the one that Chumpy only inhabits for episodic outbursts of trolling, emphasis mine:
[Petes @Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm]: "Well, on the one hand, there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather. It is a connected system, and is also connected to an even bigger system which determines its energy balance over the course of aeons. The question is whether Harvey is part of a modern trend caused by human activity. We don't have a scientific answer to this. Anybody who claims they do is bullshitting you."
[Chumpy] @Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm]: "Petes is bullshitting us. The trend is real. The human activity is real. The connection between the two is real. It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
The connection that Chumpy alleges is between human activity and the existence of hurricane Harvey. My (100% correct) statement that the weather is a connected system is neither here nor there. That's because of something Chumpy is either blithely ignorant of, or opportunistically chooses to ignore in order to bullshit "his audience". That's a thing called deterministic chaos.
Chaotic systems are entirely determined by their inputs (like all physical systems unless you believe in immaterial vital forces). And yet they are not predictable, due to their extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. (The simple canonical example is the double pendulum). There are a bajillion online articles on chaos at your fingertips so I won't labour the point.
It is entirely consistent to calling the weather a connected system (what else could it be?), and still state that Harvey cannot be connected to human activity but is just part of the chaotic behaviour of earth's weather. We'll never be able to make those connections for individual weather events. That is the nature of chaos. Chumpy was on to a loser from the get go.
Nobody had yet claimed that your admission was ‘inconsistent’ with Chaos theory.
Perhaps you would like to prove next that your admission was ‘entirely consistent’ with your Roman Catholic theology, or that your admission is ‘entirely consistent’ with a belief in the existence of other planets?
Point being, your babble above is simply irrelevant to the issues we'd joined before. You must know this, so I suspect you are simply hoping that if you babble long enough it will confuse everybody else.
Good luck with that.
Now, back to something not entirely irrelevant…. I hadn't realized until today that Shorthands doesn't appear to be seeking, isn't even interviewing for, a head of the Department of Homeland Security. link, not WaPo
Post Script:
John Kelly, now the Presidential Chief of Staff, used to be the head of Homeland Security.
And, with Labor Day now behind us, Congress is set to come back to work, I believe tomorrow. That means the congressional committees investigating the Team Trump/Russia connections can start leaking tidbits to the press again. We may be having more twitterstorms over that issue soon. (Mueller's been plodding right along, but with fewer leaks than Congress usually provides.)
This too is ‘entirely consistent’ or at least is not ‘inconsistent’ with global warming and/or Chaos Theory.
[Chumpy]: "Perhaps you would like to prove next that your admission was ‘entirely consistent’ with your Roman Catholic theology."
Yore best hope at this stage, Chumpy, is that anthropogenic warming dries the spittle off yer computer screen so that ya might follow the lessons being taught ya.
Your best hope is that Lynnette and Marcus don't realize that long babble of yours didn't actually connect up with anything that had gone before. Don't get your hopes up.
The Chinese have actually responded to Shorthands' twitter threat from yesterday to ‘stop all trade’ with China until they quit doing any business with or in North Korea.
Might have expected them to just ignore it as more Trump bluster, sound and fury signifying nothing. But, they chose to respond; ‘unacceptable’ they say.
I gotta figure this was intended to highlight the threat, so everybody noticed it, so when he doesn't go through with it everybody will notice that too. (He's gettin’ played by everybody these days, not least of whom being the North Koreans.)
[Chumpy]: "Your best hope is that Lynnette and Marcus don't realize that long babble of yours didn't actually connect up with anything that had gone before. Don't get your hopes up."
LOL. Unfortunately for you, they're well able to use Google. They don't have to rely on your lies and obfuscations. Go on, give us another laugh, tell us again how the connectedness of earth's systems means Harvey can't be an anomaly. "Your audience" may then like to Google for a credible scientist who agrees with you.
You think they're not smart enough to notice you've now switched to talk of Harvey as an unmodified ‘anomaly’? (I.e. ‘something different’ under the Merriam-Webster definition.) You think they're not smart enough to notice you dropped the talk of whether it was an ‘isolated incident’ in favor of the entirely different notion of it being simply an anomaly? You think they're not smart enough to catch on to that? That what you think?
And you think they're stoopid enough to not notice that I was quoting you, same as I did just three posts ago (with date and time attached), to wit: "It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly.".
You think "yore audience" is gonna take kindly to you treatin' them like a pack of blithering idiots? LOL.
I think instead that they will notice that I was talking about it not being an ‘unrelated independent anomaly’ and that you left that ‘unrelated independent part out on purpose.
I think they'll catch that.
‘Unrelated independent anomaly’ is pretty much the same thing as ‘isolated incident’, the term we both began using later. Bare bones stand alone ‘anomaly’ is something different. We both know that; I think they'll catch that too. I think they're smart enough to catch on to what you're trying to pull here as well.
Anyhow, dudn't matter what either of us say, the answer is a mere Google away. Your failure to provide those probabilities y'all were asked for, let alone any references, is proof enough of yore idiocy. We're well used to you arguin' black is white, even in the face of thousands of folks sayin' yore wrong. The hilarious thing is yer persistence even when it's shown ya haven't a leg to stand on. So enough of this banter: PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
I don't take orders from you.
[Chump]: "I think instead that they will notice that I was talking about it not being an ‘unrelated independent anomaly’ and that you left that ‘unrelated independent part out on purpose."
LOL. I think they'll notice you are talking through yer ass, inventin' distinctions in the hope of disguisin' yer idiocy. Hopin' they won't notice y'all have provided diddly squat except yer own say so. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
[Chump]: "I don't take orders from you."
Good for you. "Yore audience" will draw the appropriate conclusions.
I'm not surprised you have to be told even the simple things twice.
I don't take orders from you.
And I'm not going to argue the probabilities on what you've already admitted. I.e:
"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
Call it an ‘independent unrelated anomaly’ and it means the same thing as ‘isolated incident’ (close ‘nuff anyway, and ‘isolated incident’ was originally my language revision, not yours).
Bare bones anomaly, no qualifiers, means something entirely different.
And I say again: Good for you. "Yore audience" will draw the appropriate conclusions.
You have no audience? You're doing this out of some sort of personal compulsion then?
What sort of madness do you suffer from?
[Chumpy]: "And I'm not going to argue the probabilities on what you've already admitted"
Already explained yore mistake to ya on that one. Don't worry -- I don't actually think y'all are too stupid to understand it. Just that y'all are too bigheaded to admit y'all were wrong. Ain't the first time, won't be the last. Of course, y'all could just provide some references to prove y'all ain't talkin' out of y'all's ass ... but we know that ain't gonna happen. No matter how often I invite ya to PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Three times then…
I don't take orders from you. Not a mistake.
However, not letting you get in the final word might be a mistake. You seem to be operating under some form of compulsion.
So… Rave on! I'll let ya have a free one.
[Chumpy]: "I don't take orders from you."
LOL. That's why I changed it to an invite. So "yore audience" can see that y'all choose not to furnish any references to support yer idiocy. Invitation still stands: PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
I figured out why Petes was so fixated on pretending that claiming that his admission that Hurricane Harvey was not ‘an isolated event’ wasn't really an admission that Hurricane Harvey was not ‘an isolated event’. Looked back over his rant and realized he'd already lost the ‘circumstantial evidence is not evidence’ argument, and then he'd totally blown his own ‘I'm not arguing inferences’ argument by explicitly arguing about available inferences.
Therefore: The argument that his admission was ‘consistent with’ chaos theory, Roman Catholic religious theology, extraterrestrial planets, and/or Harvey being either a hurricane or maybe a six-foot, three and a half inch invisible rabbit and that therefore it wasn't also what it was, that was his last chance to pull one out. And he's convinced he needs one. (Kinda like Trump on a twitterrant.)
And, changing subjects again…
What I'm getting from the dedicated Trumpkins is that they're not all that excited about Trump giving Congress six months to apply a fix to Trump's DACA problem. They expected some serious ‘border control’ stuff from Trump, like tossing out all those Hispanic kids who grew up here and are now starting to vote, and who are voting for Democrats most of the time.
They did not expect him to waffle on this.
They are not pleased.
But, they'll stick with him through this too because, let's face it, they don't really have an alternative anymore. Do they?
It'll make his support a little softer, but it'll not make significant inroads in the overall numbers. Fewer enthusiastic supporters, more soft supporters, but same numbers for overall supporters--hangin’ on ‘round 38% or so.
But, he's not doing himself any favors with the waffling.
[Chumpy]: "I figured out why Petes was so fixated on pretending that claiming that his admission that Hurricane Harvey..."
That's an awful lot of "thats". Yore brutal grammar aside ... any advance on those references to support yore idiocy? Nope? Thought not. How do you have the barefaced audacity to spew yore deluge of nonsense without one single thing to back you up other than yore own long-since-discredited say so? "Yore audience" is gonna be wonderin' about that. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
"That's an awful lot of 'thats'. Yore brutal grammar…"
Yeah, I saw that too. Bad editing. I thought about fixing it, but decided to not bother. Wasn't worth the trouble.
Here's a hint for you going forward though. Try to avoid arguments that end up with you arguing that A ≠ A, and you'll look a little less desperate.
Had to fix a typo.
It appears that Hurricane Irma is barreling toward the Florida coast, on a course to hit The Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico and Cuba on the way by. There is the slight possibility that it will make a right turn and crawl up the eastern coast of the US, rather than smother Florida. It is that possibility that we will hope for. Two hurricanes within the span of a couple weeks is a little much.
For those of you who have expressed an interest in AI, it appears that there are those who are concerned about it causing WWIII.
Tesla (TSLA) and SpaceX's CEO wasn't making doomsday predictions because North Korea is testing nuclear weapons. What's got Musk much more worried about world war is artificial intelligence.
North Korea "should be low on our list of concerns for civilizational existential risk," Musk said in one of a series of posts on Twitter (TWTR, Tech30) early Monday.
"Competition for AI superiority at national level most likely cause of WW3 imo," Musk said in another tweet, using the Internet short-hand for "in my opinion."
The dire prediction was in response to a recent comment from Russian President Vladimir Putin. "Artificial intelligence is the future not only of Russia but of all of mankind," Putin said. "Whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will become the ruler of the world."
There are those who seem to believe that World War III will be fought between mankind and the first fully ‘intelligent’ AI.
Shorthands is supposed to be meeting with the Congressional Republican high honchos for tax reform today.
They will want him to weigh in on what sort of ‘tax reform’ they ought to be doing up.
He will want to duck responsibility for whatever's in the bill and will tell them it's their responsibility to put a bill on his desk for him to sign. (This will allow him to backstab them later, if necessary, after whatever they come up with proves to be unpopular. They won't like that part.)
Let the games begin.
That's basically the theme from Terminator. Skynet becomes self aware and starts to see mankind as the only real threat to its own existence and tries to wipe mankind out.
The Matrix has a similar story, only there humanity has already been enslaved by the machines and are kept unknowingly in pods as an energy-source with their minds hooked into the virtual world of the Matrix.
I Robot is based on basically the same theme but with a twist where the Robots attack mankind to save mankind from itself because they can tell we're bound to destroy ourselves.
Even Wargame from as early as 1983 is kind of on the same theme, although the launch system is not really self-aware but still autonomous to a degree.
So yeah, the idea has been around for some time. And of course there are those who see the threat as a possibly real one. I guess I see it as a very unlikely but still not completely impossible scenario.
[Chumpy]: "Try to avoid arguments that end up with you arguing that A ≠ A..."
I did nuthin' of the sort. You think yore Jesuitical nitpickin' and handwavin' at the dictionary convinced anybody? LMAO. Here's a hint: when you provide actual real references for your claims, they won't be in Merriam-Webster. (Won't be anywhere, of course, seein' as how they don't exist).
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
[Chumpy]: "There are those who seem to believe that World War III will be fought between mankind and the first fully ‘intelligent’ AI."
Yeah, they're called stupid people. In fairness, they may be misled by celebrities like Musk, Hawking and Putin, who get to play futurologists just 'cos it makes good press.
[Marcus]: "That's basically the theme from Terminator."
Speaking of which T2 3D -- the 25th anniversary digitally remastered release -- is showing here at the moment. Can't go this week 'cos I still have to see Dunkirk, but will definitely see it next week. Can't wait!
"I did nuthin' of the sort." (‘…arguing that A ≠ A...’)
Yeah, ya did. To wit:
"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm
Except now you keep trying to tell us that Harvey, an incident in Earth's weather, was independent of, i.e. isolated from, the phenomenon of global warming. Nobody thinks you actually believe that, but you've got your tail in a crack where this is the only possible argument you think you can win on this one. (That's a fantasy too. You're not gonna win this one.)
On the other hand, you also identified Musk and Hawking as ‘stupid people’. So maybe we ought not pay too much attention to you in your current state, whatever that is. (Although I think Hawking's fear of AI is that it will be too economically and socially disruptive rather than going the ‘Skynet’ route.)
(In fairness, I guess we could possibly interpret Petes' earlier remarks to mean that Musk and Hawking were Pied Piper types, leading the village children out to wherever it was that the Pied Piper took the village children. That would make them, Musk and Hawking, evil people rather than stupid people. But, still a good reason to not pay any attention to Petes’ characterizations.)
Post Script:
Another minor correction (usually wouldn't be worth this level of precision of statment, but this is Petes I'm dealing with here)
That earlier sentence probably should have included the word ‘perhaps’, i.e. should read similar to:
"Except now you keep trying to tell us that Harvey was perhaps]
isolated from the phenomenon of global warming."
Next he'll be trying to tell us he ain't fat.
And also this morning, Kevin McCarthy, second ranked Republican in the House of Representatives, tells us that funding for Trump's Wall will not be taken up in the current round of financial negotiations, maybe December at the earliest.
[Chumpy, quoting me]: " "…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
[Chumpy]: "Except now you keep trying to tell us that Harvey was perhaps] (sic) isolated from the phenomenon of global warming."
Already explained it to ya. As I said, ya either don't understand how a chaotic system can be both deterministic and apparently random, or ya pretend not to in order to save face. I don't care which -- unfortunately for y'all it is only a Google away for "yore audience" , so yore fig leaf ain't exactly providin' ya much coverage. Obviously y'all will have been frantically Googlin' yoreself, which makes it even more hilarious that ya haven't PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
[Chumpy]: "Next he'll be trying to tell us he ain't fat."
LOL. Y'all do realise how pathetic y'all sound?
I still have to see Dunkirk...
Let me know what you think.
"Already explained it to ya."
Actually, you did not. You simply waited a while and then said you'd already explained it. We've all seen this one from you before. This is not a new trick.
(Although, from your comment above I'm beginning to think you don't actually understand that double pendulum thing; or, perhaps you're just being devious and hoping I'll follow that weirdness to see what you might have really meant. Personally, I'm betting on the former; i.e. you've learned how to spell the jargon but don't actually know what it means.)
The Matrix has a similar story, only there humanity has already been enslaved by the machines and are kept unknowingly in pods as an energy-source with their minds hooked into the virtual world of the Matrix.
Now that just sounds horrible. Now I know why I never saw the Matrix.
I did just finish a book, "Ready Player One", which has something similar going on, though. It takes place in 2044 where Earth has been made pretty much uninhabitable, so people log into OASIS to find some form of escape. The plot revolves around a contest set up by the creator of OASIS. While the fate of Earth was depressing the book was actually a good read. If anyone is into gaming you may like it, as it uses the history of gaming as part of the concept for the contest. They have already made it into a movie, which will be released in 2018.
OASIS is a simulated world, such as you would find in a game, but it is far more interactive.
"I never saw the Matrix."
I saw the 2 hour long with commercials version that hit late night TV. I was not impressed with it. Maybe the theater version was significantly better, but I didn't see what the cult status fuss was all about.
New tracks out on the new hurricane. Looks like it might storm across the key islands and then run up the west side of Florida towards the Florida panhandle. link , not WaPo
[Lynnette]: "Now that just sounds horrible. Now I know why I never saw the Matrix."
Watched it again recently, for maybe the half dozenth time ... truly awesome movie.
Start of the end for the GOP as we know it?.
If you want to understand the profound impact Donald Trump's candidacy and presidency have had on the Republican Party, you need look no further than Tuesday's announcement that the DACA program will be rescinded.
"We are a people of compassion and we are a people of law," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions in announcing the decision, which could jeopardize the immigration status of nearly 800,000 people who were brought to America illegally before the age of 16. "But there is nothing compassionate about the failure to enforce immigration laws."
That view -- that the rule of law trumps (ahem) all else when it comes to the nation's immigration problems -- is a massive reversal from views espoused by George W. Bush in his two terms as president and in the autopsy document produced by the Republican National Committee in the wake of the party's disastrous 2012 presidential election loss.
Lee: I was not impressed with it. Maybe the theater version was significantly better, but I didn't see what the cult status fuss was all about.
Petes: Watched it again recently, for maybe the half dozenth time ... truly awesome movie.
lol!
Well, I think I'll still pass. I might, however, watch "Ready Player One" when it comes out.
"Start of the end for the GOP as we know it?"
Just another step along the road. Shorthands has already begun attacking Republican Senators on various topics. That's not likely to quit happenin’ any time soon.
Bannon's back at Breitbart lookin’ to get even with a few ‘establishment’ Republicans.
And they've got the financial faerie tales to confront in the next few months.
DACA is just another step along the road to a schism in the Party.
I don't think Shorthands is making any friends with his various positions and repositions on DACA.
This is an issue of symbolic importance to many, probably most, of the dedicated Trumpkins. If Shorthands isn't ready to act stupid for an emotionally charged symbol, then they may not be able to rely on him to other stupid things they want done.
Pete: "Watched it again recently, for maybe the half dozenth time ... truly awesome movie."
Agree. One of the best movies I had ever seen when I first saw it, and it's still holding up. Parts 2 and 3 are not as good though. Still entertaining enough to be good films but not great like the first one was, and that's the one they'll always be compared with.
Lynnette, you should totally see it. Not only for the great action but for the mind-twisting plot and the acting performances also. I just looked it up and it rates 8.7 on IMDB and is at #18 on their top 250 movies ever list. That doesn't happen unless a movie is really, really good. You won't pass up on the 18'th best movie ever, will you?
Lee @ Pete:
"On the other hand, you also identified Musk and Hawking as ‘stupid people’. So maybe we ought not pay too much attention to you in your current state, whatever that is. "
I can't help but notice you left Putin out there, since Pete named him along with Musk and Hawkins and you excluded him in your reply, which I doubt was accidental. Does that mean that you think that naming Musk and Hawkins as stupid is stupid, but naming Putin as stupid is more or less correct? Just curious.
It means that Petes is arguing just about anything, searchin’ for somethin’ he can finally call a ‘winner’ for him. Off hand chance he'd try to draw me into an argument about whether or not Putin was ‘stupid’. 1. Less chance he'd try to go for that argument against just Musk and Hawking, and: 2. I ain't gonna let Petes draw me into an argument where I defend Putin. I don't like Putin; I don't want to defend him. Not even against Petes.
Lee: "I don't think Shorthands is making any friends with his various positions and repositions on DACA."
Pissing everybody off seems more like it, at the moment. His opponents in the 'establishmeent' and all non-Trump-supporters are pissed he's even digging into it. And from looking at the comment section at a Breitbart article on the matter it seems those Trumpkins are pissed he's not putting everything he can into bringing it down.
So yeah, you're probably right, no new friends on this one. Might've even lost a few. But on the other hand where're they gonna turn to?
Lee:
"I don't like Putin; I don't want to defend him. Not even against Petes."
I know that. But isn't it fair to say Putin might be many things but stupid is sure as hell not one of 'em?
It occurs to me that not defending Putin against a charge of stupidity is ‘consistent with’ the premise that Putin might actually be stupid anyway. Therefore none of the things I wrote just above can be held against me should I choose to deny them later as improvident admissions. (See Petes' prior arguments on how chaos theory is consistent with global warming induced ferocity for hurricane Harvey.)
"But on the other hand where're they gonna turn to?"
For some of them anywhere else will do. link, not WaPo Remember, history says he only has to lose around 4-5 points from his current near’bouts 38% favorability rating, and he's sliding into possible impeachment territory.
Tell ya what Marcus: You defend Putin's intelligence against Petes, and I'll defend Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking. Should work for everybody.
But screw what PeteS might make of it, I'm asking YOU. Do you think Putin can be considered stupid?
I mean a man who singlehandedly hacked your entire elections and put his stooge Trump in office must be pretty smart, no?
We're talking here about a former high level KGB operative who took the largest nation state on the planet from a dysfunctional and broke state into being a major world player again, outfoxed ya'll in Syria and then stole ya'll's elections right from under ya'll's noses. How stupid could he be?
Lee:
"Tell ya what Marcus: You defend Putin's intelligence against Petes"
I have a feeling I won't have to. I'm sure Pete's got a whole lotta grievencies with Putin but I doubt he's gonna make the claim Putin is stupid.
If he does though, I will gladly tell him he's wrong, and why.
This is why ya'll in the US should fight tooth and nail to protect your first amendment, even in favour of those you do not agree with.
This statement:
"“Excellent news that the US administration and Trump ordered an accurate strike on an IS network of tunnels in Afghanistan.
“I'm glad we could bring these barbarians a step closer to collecting their 72 virgins,” Travers wrote."
Actually got a student in the UK charged with hate speech. Seriously, they're gonna ruin a young mans life because he spoke out against ISIS in a kinda funny way on social media.
This is reality in Europe, and it's coming to the USA also - not in the form of criminal charges but by banning folks from the Internet.
The way it's coming? It's the "oh, no it wasn't the government who said you couldn't say that, it was a private entity". Yeah, when Facebook and Google control about 90% of all Internet activity you might wanna regulate them.
[Chumpy]: " you've learned how to spell the jargon but don't actually know what it means"
LOL. That's usually a sign that Chumpy has finally understood enough of what I wrote to go do some frantic Googlin'. He's now back as a self-styled expert, buildin' up to tell us how he knew that stuff all along. His problem is he still has to lie and obfuscate to cover up the fact he was wrong. But he'll strut his stuff anyway.
You won't pass up on the 18'th best movie ever, will you?
Hmmm...well, okay, I might see if I can find a copy. I have a decent TV now, so I should have a good picture.
"…who singlehandedly hacked your entire elections…"
Singlehandedly? Putin taken to doing his own hacking now as they tell the tale in Sweden? Guccifer 2.0 was actually Putin his own self? Fancybear was Putin's alias? That the story you're going with?
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"…That's usually a sign that Chumpy…"
I know the theory; knew what it was when you made the reference. I know where you threw in the modifiers that made your initial statement on the subject almost entirely meaningless, and I know where the lanes are that you think are going to let you slip out of any attempt to pin you down to any actual content. (You are wrong on that; I got that covered too.)
Better yet, I since I already got your exit lanes covered, I can pin your ass to the wall if you even try to explain what you meant. (Which is why you did not and will not ever come close to trying to explain what you initially said; you didn't connect it up for a reason, that reason being that it won't connect up and if you tried to connect it then that flaw would be glaringly obvious. As long as you don't pull on the pile of chain links, it's not all that obvious that they're not connected together into a chain, but yours aren't; just a pile of links laying there.)
And, no, I haven't had to do any googling on the subject yet. I got your ass. I don't need to do any googling yet. So, keep your head down and your statements wide open and never try to close your argument--just keep pretending that you already did, somewhere along the line, in a place you never identify. That's your best bet now.
But I don't think even that will work. I'm pretty sure Lynnette and Marcus already got your number on this one, and that you can't buy it back.
So, that said, you can take a free shot now. Rave on! The floors yours for one free shot.
"I might see if I can find a copy."
If you find a copy kee an eye out to see if they ever try to explain why in gawd's name the computers didn't pick a potential power source that's not going to fight back if a couple of them start proving to be immune to the programming, power sources which won't "hack" the system and start fighting back? (Gotta be something better than people to use for biopower--cows or buffalo or bison or something, dogs even.)
"…but I doubt he's gonna make the claim Putin is stupid."
Well, there is this:
"Yeah, they're called stupid people. In fairness, they may be misled
by celebrities like Musk, Hawking and Putin…"
Petes @ Tue Sep 05, 12:14:00 pm
If you wanna parse out a meaning there other than that Musk, Hawking and Putin are the leading lights of the stupid people, then have at it.
And, back to a subject considerably more interesting than Petes' continued fascination with his own smoke and mirrors games…
Shorthands has gone public with an endorsement of the Democrats' preferences on how to deal with the looming debt limit problem He's backing a move by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer to add a three month debt-ceiling extension to an initial appropriation of relief funds for hurricane Harvey. Paul Ryan had called the Democrats' proposal ‘ridiculous and disgraceful’ just before Shorthands publicly agreed to it. This will not go down well with Paul Ryan.
And it means they have to try to extend the debt-ceiling again right around Christmas. But, next time the Republicans won't have the ‘cover’ of the hurricane relief funds to use to explain why they voted to increase the national debt (never a popular move among the more hard-line conservative crazies). So, the conservative crazies are not happy with this either, most of them anyway, some of the libertarian types might think they can play this into a real, actual federal default around Christmas time, and that might please them.
[Chumpy]: "The floors yours for one free shot."
Y'all are more hilarious by the minute. I didn't make any claims. I don't need to take any shots. Y'all are the one with the claim to defend ... the one that remains utterly unsupported by anything other than y'all mouthin' off. Found those references yet? Nope. I guess y'all are gonna have to stick to that story about me "pre-agreeing" with y'all, or whatever tangled web y'all are tryin' to weave. Hilarious, pathetic, and tragic in equal measure.
[Me]: "I still have to see Dunkirk..."
[Lynnette]: "Let me know what you think."
What a pile of rubbish! Some bits of alright cinematography, but it was so not gripping I couldn't bring myself to care what happened to any of the characters. Except for one or two that I felt like torpedoing myself. It was nearly as boring as watching Lee try to dig himself out of yet another hole. (Well, ok, maybe not quite that boring ;-) Zero out of ten.
Damn, give the fat boy a free shot and he wiffs it. Well, okay, his to with as he chose I suppose.
Further news on Shorthands' deal with the Democrats over hurricane Harvey relief funds indicates they've agreed to a three month CR (Continuing Resolution; i.e. an extension on government funding for three months past the end of September deadline--i.e. ‘til the end of the year)
I'm not quite as certain of the wisdom of that. It means the government funding issue will come up again at the same time as the need for a further expansion of the debt limit. I would have preferred to see them deal with the debt limit problem (government default on financial obligations) for a longer haul and then address the government funding issue (government shutdown problem). But, I can see what Pelosi and Shumer think they're doing here. They think they can leverage the funding issue against the shutdown problem. They better be as good at stealing Shorthands' lunch as they think they are. We do not want to risk a government default.
They think they've got Shorthands' number. He's primarily motivated by fear. (May be why he's so good at stoking the fears of his dedicated Trumpkins.) They think they can offer him ‘safe’ escapes from the corners he paints himself into. They better not overestimate their own ability to craft safe exits for him. He can tweet himself deep into holes, maybe deeper than they can pull him out of. There a some things their own members won't accept.
And lest we forget:
[Chumpy @ Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm]: "It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
Five days on, and no sign of an authoritative reference from Chumpy. Just the usual endless diversions and waffle. What a troll!
I won't vouch for you as an authoritative reference; but I would call this an admission, and that's good ‘nuff.
"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm
And, besides, you've yet to deny that my observation was correct. (Admission aside.) As I've stated many times in the past; I never feel obliged to prove what my counterpart will not deny. That applies here as well as everywhere else.
Let's just conform the language; given that I was the one who rephrased from ‘unrelated independent anomaly’ to ‘isolated incident’ in the first place, I feel I'm entitled to do that just to make clear what ground Petes is fighting on. So…
"It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an
[isolated incident]. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
Lee C. @ Wed Aug 30, 10:11:00 pm
"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm
Anybody here who's not clear on what just got said? (Excepting Petes of course.) Petes was even more emphatic on the subject than I was, and now demands that I prove what he was so emphatically admitting.
That's damn foolishness, but that's Petes; that's all he's got left and he's lookin’ hard for a winner here.
One more point before we move on for the day:
"…Five days on…"
And soon five days will be six and Petes can troll it all over again.
I assume I need not point out that I gave him one free shot, and he took it, wiffed it but he took it, and I didn't contradict anything he'd put in that one free shot. I just let it ride. So, not getting the response he wanted, he's back on the subject yet another day. He is the one trolling the question and simultaneously accusing me of being the troll. But, that's Petes too.
Today's item to watch: Trump Junior is going before the Senate Judiciary Committee this day (closed session for security reasons). May be some interesting leaks pop up in a little while.
Shorthands has gone public with an endorsement of the Democrats' preferences on how to deal with the looming debt limit problem
Could have knocked me over with a feather. But, in one sense he is staying true to form, being unpredictable. Or perhaps he is predictably pushing over the apple cart? Don't know.
What a pile of rubbish!
lol! I didn't want to tell you, but one of my reliable sources, who has similar movie tastes to mine, said basically the same thing. I thought I would let you judge for yourself though.
She didn't like "The Lost city of Z" either. Said it was too slow.
It looks like some of the smaller islands in Irma's path have taken a heavy hit, Barbuda especially. Those poor people. The pictures coming out of there look devastating.
We talked to a relative who lives near Clearwater, Florida, and even she is evacuating.
May be some interesting leaks pop up in a little while.
Well, if nothing else it makes for interesting reading.
I talked to someone who has a relative who traveled recently in China. He was asked if he thought of Trump as an embarrassment. Apparently Trump is not very well thought of there.
"Or perhaps he is predictably pushing over the apple cart?"
The Democrats, Schumer and Pelosi, played off of his sense of fear. The Republicans were telling him it could go a couple of different ways, depending… The Democrats said they had the votes to deal with it right now and he could immediately take credit for ‘a win’ on getting hurricane Harvey aid down to the red states of Texas and Louisiana. And so what if it put McConnell and Ryan in a deeper spot come December? What had those two done for him lately anyway?
He bought it.
They took advantage of his limited knowledge of how things work.
Under the ‘even a blind hog finds an acorn now and again’ category, Trump has suggested that maybe we ought to do away with that artificial ‘debt ceiling’ limitation that causes a default threat every few years. Politico.Com, not WaPo
Pete: "What a pile of rubbish! Some bits of alright cinematography, but it was so not gripping I couldn't bring myself to care what happened to any of the characters. Except for one or two that I felt like torpedoing myself."
WW2 movies on the whole are almost always terrible. OK, so the opening scene in Saving Private Ryan was awesomely gruesome, and of course the original Stalingrad (which few in the west saw because it was in German) was a great movie. But most of it is shit, including Saving Ryan after that opening scene.
The series Band Of Brothers though, that's well worth watching. The ONLY bad thing was Ross from Friends playing some officer in episode #1, and he sucked horses balls. But after that, great stuff!
Lee: "Singlehandedly? Putin taken to doing his own hacking now as they tell the tale in Sweden? Guccifer 2.0 was actually Putin his own self? Fancybear was Putin's alias? That the story you're going with?"
Irony is lost on you, isn't it?
Isn't that a measure of intelligence, those who get irony and those who don't?
I'm sure I've read that somewhere.
Lee @ the Matrix:
"If you find a copy kee an eye out to see if they ever try to explain why in gawd's name the computers didn't pick a potential power source that's not going to fight back if a couple of them start proving to be immune to the programming, power sources which won't "hack" the system and start fighting back? (Gotta be something better than people to use for biopower--cows or buffalo or bison or something, dogs even.)"
What a bore.
It'd be like sayin' when the freaking Hobbits got help from the Eagles early in the Lord Of The Rings then why didn't they just fly them damned eagles into Mordor and torch the ring to begin with? Why go through hell and back only to have the very same Eagles save you in the end?
Applying too much of our known logics into a Sci-Fi or Fantasy storyline and of fucking course you're gonna think it sucks.
But given that Matrix scores 8.7 on IMDB and is curently voted the 18'th best movie EVER we can conclude that the vast majority of people are not complete bores like Lee C.
Lynnette: "Hmmm...well, okay, I might see if I can find a copy. I have a decent TV now, so I should have a good picture."
A decent TV? You get one of those when you buy a cup of coffe these days. Yeah, I'm exaggerating but still, a really good TV costs less than a mid range iPad.
Now you just get yourself a copy of the Matrix and pay no mind to grumpy 'ol Lee and you'll have yourself a blast!
"I'm sure I've read that somewhere."
Perhaps you should have read enough to be able to discern the difference between sarcasm and irony. Ya think maybe?
"why didn't they just fly them damned eagles into Mordor and torch the ring
to begin with?"
I can answer that. The entrance to the Cracks of Doom (spot where the One Ring was forged) came in from the side, not the top. So the Eagles couldn't have dropped the ring into the fire. As for flying Frodo in--there was the problem of the Wraiths having taken to the sky themselves on those flying dragon-type varmints. So, no sneaking in; giant eagle flying into the heart of darkness is too damn obvious. Frodo got in because they had Sauron's attention diverted to the battle with the Aragorn, heir of Isildur. Eagles flying in before that battle would have run up against the Ringwraiths and likely would have failed to land a single live hobbit.
Lynnette: "I talked to someone who has a relative who traveled recently in China. He was asked if he thought of Trump as an embarrassment. Apparently Trump is not very well thought of there."
Ivanka though is doing very, extremely, well in China. Her brand has shot up something fierce since the election. They love her because they see her as a strong business woman and they respect her because she defends her father in right or wrong (which of course is something any good daughter, or son for that matter, is expected to do in China).
Lee: "Perhaps you should have read enough to be able to discern the difference between sarcasm and irony. Ya think maybe?"
Actually I know the difference. But these days "irony" is often used in place of "sarcasm" and it has basically gotten the usage of "sarcasm without malevonence".
I am aware that irony is like: "I brought an umbrella for ten days and then the one day I didn't it rained - the irony"
But the term "irony" is not used in only that way these days. That's not MY fault.
And you know that as well as I do.
"And you know that as well as I do."
Then perhaps you also know that sarcasm has long been known as ‘the weakest form of wit’ and is properly derided when, as here, ya use it not because it's called for but rather ‘cause thats all ya got.
All of which, by the way, goes to an admission that he don't got an answer for the basic question of, "Why would the machine culture use humans as a power source in the first place?"
That one wouldn't even have passed a Mother Goose selection, but these two guys figure it's a classic. Maybe it is, but the two hour with commercials version for late-night TV was less than impressive. And the failure to deal with even basic plot line problems suggest that it's valued by some of its fans more for the special effects (which were ground-breaking at the time) than for the story line.
Ah ha! I did a google on it. (See, Petes, I can google stuff when it's worth it. Your stuff ain't been worth it.) The Matrix got Oscar nominations for special effects (sound and visuals) and for editing, but not else.
Still, it must be a superior kind of wit when you take the bait and try to run with it.
Summation:
1. I say that Putin in person hacked and decided the US elections.
2. Dumbfuck Lee C tries to make a point about me ACTUALLY saying Putin personally hacked them elections.
3. I say I was of course being Ironic.
4. Lee goes into a debate on ironic vs sarcastic.
5. I tell Lee I do know what ironic vs sarcastic means. And I point out the common usage.
6. Lee, gettin' he's got got tries to belittle my way of writing.
Typical Lee. Very typical of Lee here. Changing the issue, making the debate into something else, delving into grammar if there is no other way out.
That won't fly this time Lee.
"Lee C tries to make a point about me ACTUALLY saying Putin personally
hacked them elections."
Not ‘personally’, ‘singlehandedly’, which was obviously wrong. You've been trying to avoid that obviously wrong thing ever since.
Lee: " The Matrix got Oscar nominations for special effects (sound and visuals) and for editing, but not else."
Those are the best ones to get. The non-political ones. Best Actor because you portray a sexual deviant who masturbates in the colon of another man, lke Brokeback Mountain that no one saw or will ever see, - that's just politics. Yeah it'll get you awards, but not 8 plus on IMDB.
If you'd started with the notion that The Matrix was probably better than Brokeback Mountain then we'd probably not be having this discussion. (I don't think Brokeback Mountain won an Oscar for Best Actor--win for music maybe--just off the top of my head.)
Fact is: The Matrix is a totally boss movie. And Lee is a total bore.
Ah so, that would mean that the drunken Swede now knows why the Eagles didn't fly the One Ring into Mordor. I suppose this is a good thing (as opposed to being a bad thing), although I can't see that it really matters.
[Marcus]: "Typical Lee. Very typical of Lee here. Changing the issue, making the debate into something else, delving into grammar if there is no other way out."
Yup. Lee is certainly a troll, and a bore, and a Jesuitical nitpicker. Gets especially tiresome, though, when he outright lies to cover his own idiocy. That's offensive. Which is why I'm forced to waste more minutes on this mendacious asshole.
[Me]: "there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
I repeat again: that is the nature of a deterministic physical system. It could not be any other way unless you invoke magic. Lee, of course is pretending that this amounts to an agreement with him about one specific determinant -- human-induced global warming -- which, of course, he has left out of all his subsequent quotes in order to pretend that this agreement exists. It doesn't. Lee's just being a boring, lying, trolling, asshole.
He won't quote any references to support his contention, because every credible reference says he's flat out wrong. Instead he resorts to not only quoting his own words out of context, but now rewriting them as well. Compare his quote above:
[Chumpy @ Thu Sep 07, 09:06:00 am]: "It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an [isolated incident]. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
... with the original in context:
[Chumpy @ Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm]: "The trend is real. The human activity is real. The connection between the two is real. It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
Even for boring troll Lee, the dishonesty is disappointing. And god knows nobody expects much from him.
"Lee, of course is pretending that this amounts to an agreement
with him…"
I didn't say it was an agreement with me. You're not an agreeable person in the main.
It was an improvident admission is what it was.
If you'd thought to disagree with me at that point you certainly would have. But, it hadn't occurred to you that you'd blow your other points of contention wide open. You only began to worry about whether you'd ‘agreed’ or disagreed much later, when you were looking for something else to be disagreeable about (having totally blown both the ‘circumstantial evidence’ argument and ‘I'm not arguing inferences’ argument). You got nothin’ else now, so you're clinging to this.
Post script:
I am, however quite willing to accept your reading of how it all connects up. To wit:
"The trend is real. The human activity is real. The connection
between the two is real. It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey
was somehow an [isolated incident]. Not bloody damn likely, but just
remotely possible."
Yeah, I'm more than happy to go with that.
"I repeat again: that is the nature of a deterministic physical system."
And that is why we can confidently say that it's virtually impossible that Harvey could have been an unrelated ‘isolated incident’.
Long as we're on the subject of climate change…. Scott Pruit, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, says this is a bad time to mention or even consider climate change issues. Supposedly the EPA is currently focused on ‘providing assistance to those in need in Florida’. linkCNN, not WaPo How the hell emergency assistance fits into the EPA's mandate is not immediately clear.
I was wondering which movies ranked 1 to 17 if The Matrix was ranked 18. So I went looking and of course came up with varying lists. Here is a list that uses popular choice according to IMDB. I have seen most of them, but not all. Strangely I have never seen The Godfather. I see I will have to catch up on more than The Matrix!
All of which, by the way, goes to an admission that he don't got an answer for the basic question of, "Why would the machine culture use humans as a power source in the first place?"
It's a metaphorical tale, you numbskull.
"It's a metaphorical tale…"
Most movies are. Some claim to be reality based, but most are metaphorical tales. That's not a good excuse for tossing in a central plot element that wouldn't make the cut at Mother Goose.
"Five days on…“
Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 08:32:00 am
Six days on now; tomorrow will make seven. (I decided to take turns.)
Overnight earthquakes in Mexico; small tsunami followed. We should note that Mexican earthquakes are ‘entirely consistent’¹ with the notion that the weather is the product of a ‘deterministic physical system’².
Tomorrow it's your turn again. Be punctual or you might miss your turn.
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¹ Petes @ Mon Sep 04, 08:15:00 am ↑↑.
² Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 07:57:00 pm ↑↑.
[Chumpy, quoting me]: "I repeat again: that is the nature of a deterministic physical system."
[Chumpy]: "And that is why we can confidently say that it's virtually impossible that Harvey could have been an unrelated ‘isolated incident’."
And that's why we can say that yore a clueless lying asshole. Yore wrong, ya know yore wrong, and ya've painted yoreself into a corner ya can't even admit to goin' Googlin' for the right answer. Spare "yore audience" the embarrassment of havin' to watch ya pluck dictionary definitions out of yore ass to try to save face.
"Spare "yore audience" the embarrassment…"
Nah, don't think so. Your bluster notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure they got your number on this one. I see absolutely no reason to let up on it. (Always the chance I've overestimated Marcus, but I'm fairly sure this one's not over his head.)
So, remember, be punctual tomorrow morning, or you might miss your turn.
Post Script:
Of course, there's always the chance I've overestimated you and that you actually believe this bilge you're pumping. But I don't think that's likely either.
You're too careful to never get caught trying to actually make that tie-in that doesn't exist between your ‘deterministic physical system’ and your implied, but very carefully never stated, argument about how that ‘system’ would exclude global warming as one of the drivers of hurricane Harvey.
But, if I've overestimated anybody here, it's probably you. There is still that unlikely outside chance you really don't know how Chaos Theory works, just learned how to spell it.
While we're waiting for Petes' fine return tomorrow morning…. We have in the meantime TrumpTweets. He's gone back to ragging on the Congressional Republicans over ObamaCare and over the filibuster rule in general. I think he's noticed that some of his Radio-Right-Wing support network is more than a little twitchy ‘bout him making a deal with the Democrats for immediate Hurricane Harvey relief funds. So, he's back to diversionary tweeting. His dedicated Trumpkins are familiar with hating on the Republican leadership, and they might possibly be tweeted into raging about Ryan and McConnell and lose track of the coöperation with Democrats problem. It doesn't have quite the emotional appeal of ‘lock her up’ or ‘build that wall’, but except for its lack of inherent power it's more suited his current situation.
Looks like this thing (Irma) is massive enough that it will affect all of Florida.
Yet there are those who are refusing to evacuate, including a little 92 year old lady whose response to the mayor of Miami when he offered her his phone # if she needed help gave him hers in return.
"…it will affect all of Florida."
Yeah, I was looking at the current most probable path(s) (there's more than one model being shown on the page I was looking at). They all seem to show Irma moving up Florida south to north right up the middle of the state. Probable margins of error still have it moving up Florida south to north, just off center instead of right up the middle.
This gives it time to lose some power before it hits Atlanta, which seems to be on schedule for early in the coming week.
[Chumpy]: "There is still that unlikely outside chance you really don't know how Chaos Theory works, just learned how to spell it."
LOL. We definitely can't say the same for y'all, as yore ignorance has been on display for the last two hundred posts.
[Chumpy]: "You're too careful to never get caught trying to actually make that tie-in that doesn't exist between your ‘deterministic physical system’ and your implied, but very carefully never stated, argument about how that ‘system’ would exclude global warming as one of the drivers of hurricane Harvey."
Ahh, such profound ignorance is ... well ... actually, in you it's not the least bit surprising. And you've just demonstrated even more pointedly than before that you have no clue what's goin' on.
First of all, nobody ever said anything about excluding GW, the point was that you cannot include it. That's a BIG difference, and I can see why yore frantically tryin' to rewrite history (yet again) to change it. Let's cut that particular lie off at the knees before y'all try to bootstrap it up into yore own reality.
The whole concept of deterministic chaos is that you can have a deterministic system without being able to tell -- even in principle -- which of the inputs produced a particular outcome. Had y'all not been too terrified to Google it, that's what ya would have discovered. (Or else ya did Google it and studiously avoided mentionin' it). Unfortunately for you "yore audience" is perfectly capable of doin' their own Googlin', wherein they will find, for instance (emphasis mine):
"Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems — a response popularly referred to as the butterfly effect — rendering long-term prediction of their behavior impossible in general. This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved. In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable. This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos."
And that sounds like as good a place as any to stick ya on ignore for a while, lest ya totally bore the pants off everyone here.
"…the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them
predictable…"
You put that in bold almost as if you thought that was somehow relevant. Perhaps you are really confused then, but more likely you just think that'll somehow confuse either Marcus, or Lynnette, or both. I'm bettin’ agin that happenin’.
I notice that the whinin' about Trump has moved away from his handling of storm aftermaths for now. Basically, he's handled it pretty much like any other president would. Or, more likely, the outcomes have next to nothing to do with the Preznit's input, whether it's Trump, Obama or Calvin Coolidge. That didn't stop the whiners for a while, but they seem to have run out of steam on this particular avenue for now.
I never thought I'd be extolling a reality TV star, but I have to admit to a soft spot for "Judge Judy" Sheindlin. She was in discussion at the Oxford Union recently (Oxford University's debating society). She has a good take (starts 49:40 in the vid) on the polarisation in US politics. She says it starts when you choose to intentionally misunderstand your opponent and label him a moron. Sounds like a good explanation.
I'll have mercy on ya (and help keep ya in the game just for the fun of it) give ya something to work with over night, you can use it in your grand entrance in the morning.
"…the point was that you cannot include [global warming]."
Of course I can.
"The trend [global warming] is real. The human activity is real.
The connection between the two is real."
Lee C. @ Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm
"She says it starts when you choose to intentionally misunderstand
your opponent and label him a moron."
Petes @ Fri Sep 08, 03:16:00 pm
There ya go Marcus. That is irony!
"…the whinin' about Trump has moved away from his handling of
storm aftermaths for now."
He read his reviews. He adjusted his public performance accordingly. (Even made a return trip to Texas to get pictures taken with real live victims of the storm.)
Never let it be said that Shorthands doesn't read his reviews.
@ Lynnette,
I was thinking politics and a thought occurred to me that thought I ought to share.
Whaddaya think are the odds that Schumer and Pelosi could have rolled Mike Pense on that short-term debt extension for Hurricane Harvey trade?
Whaddaya think are the odds that a little bad press would have made Mike Pense backtrack as thoroughly as Trump already has on the DACA issue?
I'm tellin’ ya, we don't want an impeachment of Trump unless we can somehow impeach Pence along with him.
Around two dozen high-rise construction cranes are still up in the air in Miami. FoxNews, not WaPo
Yes, they are worried about the cranes, even though they are built to twist in the wind like weather vanes.
It looks like the path is still set to run south to north over the entire state of Florida, with the a course farther to the west than they had been thinking yesterday. The storm is now increasing in strength as it flows over the warmer waters between Cuba and the Keys. They are talking a 6 to 12 foot storm surge in the hardest hit areas. I would not want to be in the Keys went that thing hits. I suspect there will be little left of all of those bridges connecting the islands.
Whaddaya think are the odds that Schumer and Pelosi could have rolled Mike Pense on that short-term debt extension for Hurricane Harvey trade?
Whaddaya think are the odds that a little bad press would have made Mike Pense backtrack as thoroughly as Trump already has on the DACA issue?
I'm tellin’ ya, we don't want an impeachment of Trump unless we can somehow impeach Pence along with him.
I suspect, judging by the reaction of Republicans to Trump's debt ceiling deal with the Democrats, that impeachment may be more likely. You are probably right, Pence would fall into line with the more conservative members. Huh! If I were a paranoid Republican I might think that Trump is really a "Trojan Horse" for the Democrats!
"…the a course farther to the west than they had been thinking
yesterday."
Yeah, that path was on, then off, now it's back on again. However, either path is ‘entirely consistent’¹ with the notion that the weather is the product of a ‘deterministic physical system’².
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"…impeachment may be more likely."
Well, the Republican leadership is certainly upset with him over that. However, Radio-Right-Wing and FoxNews seem still hesitant to cross him. (Marcus had a point about them having no where else to go after going all in for Trump.)
I don't think they're at the impeachment point yet. For one thing he's still hanging in the high 30's for a favorability rating (which is higher than the Congressional Republicans' rating). I still reckon he's safe from impeachment until he falls to the 33-35% range and stays there over a prolonged stretch.
Meanwhile, we are being treated to the fairly pathetic display of Congressional Republicans trying to hang on to Trump's coattails while he routinely showers them with contempt. (Ryan, and McConnell, and Priebus, and company have gotten damn little in return for having sold out their dignity in a pretense of unity with Trump.)
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¹ Petes @ Mon Sep 04, 08:15:00 am ↑↑.
² Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 07:57:00 pm ↑↑.
"Five days on…“
Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 08:32:00 am
Seven days on now; tomorrow will make it eight.
You seem to have missed your opening bell. If you're not careful you'll lose your turn here.
Or…. You may think this will go cold long enough for you to come back later and declare that you ‘won’ the argument (or perhaps you'll just go for the alternate claim that you somewhere explained that missing part to your argument, although you have not yet and never will). You seem to only have a few stock moves for these situations and both of them rely on the thread growing cold for long enough.
So, it would behoove me to keep this thread from growing cold wouldn't it?
Probably means I'll be tweaking you again tomorrow.
Meantime, death toll on that Mexican earthquake is up over 60 now, expected to rise further, but I don't know that anybody's published an estimate on it yet.
Tweak away, ya pathetic troll.
"Tweak away…"
Okay then.
Irma alert: Newest predicted track seems to spare Atlanta from the worst of it. Atlanta was looking at being in the bullseye if Irma went up the middle of Florida; Irma will go south and west of Atlanta under the current predictions. New track is worse news for Tampa which looks to take it head on.
Famous (among Euro-archaeologists) Viking grave site, mid 10th century, in Birka, Sweden, of a warrior chieftain (thought to be probably a high ranking military officer); turns out the ranking Viking warrior buried there was a woman. Discovery.com, not WaPo
New track is worse news for Tampa which looks to take it head on.
Yes. Thank heavens my cousin evacuated early.
Police in Miami, Florida are rounding up homeless people and taking them to shelters. Homeless who refuse such ‘assistance’ are being involuntarily detained under a Florida law which allows them to held for up to 72 hours for evaluation for mental incompetence. Probably be held to be illegal and unconstitutional and all that, but not before Irma has moved on to the north. (Courts are closed; judges have fled north.)
Lynnette: "Strangely I have never seen The Godfather."
Blasphemy! I can't even begin to understand how you can even admit to that! Now, you go online right NOW and order yourself the complete Godfather-box and get yourself a copy of the Matrix for good measure. You'll thank me later.
Pete: "I notice that the whinin' about Trump has moved away from his handling of storm aftermaths for now. Basically, he's handled it pretty much like any other president would. Or, more likely, the outcomes have next to nothing to do with the Preznit's input, whether it's Trump, Obama or Calvin Coolidge."
There's only one preznit who gets down into the dirt for the gritty jobs and that's Duterte. Seen that vid of him draggin' a hogtied drugdealer on a rope along the street like he was a bag of rice? Or when he ACTUALLY shot AQ terrorists in Mindanao with a sniper rifle himself? That dude is HANDS ON fur realz.
Other than boss Duterte though, yeah a President can't really do much once a disaster has struck. Open up the Federal wallet is most likely the only thing that really matters, the rest is mostly for show.
Lee: "Famous (among Euro-archaeologists) Viking grave site, mid 10th century, in Birka, Sweden, of a warrior chieftain (thought to be probably a high ranking military officer); turns out the ranking Viking warrior buried there was a woman. "
The Viking were very sex-equal actually. Not a "feminist" society perhaps but women could be chieftains and definetly had a say in local politics.
Later on but still in Sweden we got some of the first laws protecting especially women. I think it was around 1200 where we got laws severely punishing rape and "bride robbery" in the country.
The main reason was probably not so much for the sake of women but that such things led to feuds and blood-vengeance and it caused too much internal strife and the Crown needed subjects who were not at eachothers throats all the time.
Lee: "Ah so, that would mean that the drunken Swede now knows why the Eagles didn't fly the One Ring into Mordor. I suppose this is a good thing (as opposed to being a bad thing), although I can't see that it really matters."
I've read LOTR at least 5 times cover to cover. I own all the extended version DVD-boxed of both LOTR and The Hobbit. I played the LOTR role playning box when I was a kid. I have one of the rare comic books of the LOTR, which is worth quite a deal, here at home. I grew up with this shit.
And if I find flaws in the storyline I'm not gonna let some Appalachian greybeard high on his own writings tell me otherwise. I might have simplified what Frodo&CO ought to have done but it still remains there's a huge gap in the plot where our protagonists could easily have chosen a more passable route.
I'm not going to speculate on your unidentified ‘huge gap’. You asked about the eagles; I told ya why ‘bout the eagles.
More to the point though, finding flaws in the Lord of the Rings trilogy doesn't fix plot line flaws in The Matrix.
Lee: "I'm not going to speculate on your unidentified ‘huge gap’. You asked about the eagles; I told ya why ‘bout the eagles."
Why didn't they fly the eagles to Minas Tirith? Wait there while Aragorn took the reins of the place and reunited forces with Rohan? Why skulk through Moria?
Lee. "More to the point though, finding flaws in the Lord of the Rings trilogy doesn't fix plot line flaws in The Matrix."
You get on with them plot flaws then. Tell us all 'bout 'em and see if anyone cares. I never said there weren't any. Go right ahead greybeard.
"Why didn't they fly the eagles to Minas Tirith?"
First of all, it's not my job to explain to you a book you supposedly read.
Second of all, Aragorn hadn't yet decided to reveal himself at Minas Tirith. It was Boromir who wanted to go there; Aragorn was still working out a sneak into Mordor without Sauron catching on to them coming. (Flying in on giant eagles woulda kinda killed the sneak thing.)
Things changed drastically at Amon Hen when Boromir got killed and the remainder of the nine got split up.
"You get on with them plot flaws then. Tell us all 'bout
'em and see if anyone cares."
You seem way pissed off already and I just hit the one ‘bout how stupid it was to use people for bioenergy. You'd likely go ballistic if listed the rest. I don't need it. Besides, you got no good answer for even that one I already mentioned, no need to pile up the score here.
I think I've mentioned this before. If not I should have. I'm seeing speculations in print now that Trump may be considering running for President as an independent in 2020. I've had this idea before, and think I've subjected ya'll to my musings on this matter. Anyway, now I'm seeing it in print, so maybe I'm not entirely crazy.
His dedicated Trumpkin base of around 38% (currently) might be enough to prevail in a three-way race if he could hope for a reasonably equal break between the Democrats and the rump remains of the Republican Party which he would leave behind.
Ah, but…. Getting that 38% might be more difficult in a three-way race. Some of those dedicated Trumpkins are, in fact, dedicated Republicans. So, it's not necessarily a good bet, but it may be his best bet come 2020.
Blasphemy! I can't even begin to understand how you can even admit to that!
*Hangs head in shame*
I know, I know, what can I say? I just never got around to it. I actually did start at one point watching old classic movies, such as Casablanca. But then I got distracted and kind of forgot about movies. I will have to resolve to do better.
Getting that 38% might be more difficult in a three-way race. Some of those dedicated Trumpkins are, in fact, dedicated Republicans. So, it's not necessarily a good bet, but it may be his best bet come 2020.
It's a long way to 2020 and if he continues to piss everyone off it will get a lot longer. There is also the novelty of having him as President wearing off for the American people, as well as that little matter of an investigation that may be unearthing financial skeletons in the closet.
"Five days on…“
Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 08:32:00 am
Eight days on now; tomorrow it'll be nine days. And tomorrow it'll be your turn again. Do try to be prompt. You missed your turn yesterday; that can happen again.
Today, we'll do a brief recap.
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"You seem to accept his premise that it's perhaps reasonable to
consider Harvey as an isolated event."
[Lee C. @ Tue Aug 29, 11:49:00 pm]
"[Lee C.] ‘So you think he believes that it's reasonable
to consider Harvey as an isolated incident?’
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"…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather. ***
"The question is whether Harvey is part of a modern trend caused by
human activity. "
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 12:33:00 pm
"The trend [global warming] is real. The human activity is real.
The connection between the two is real.
"It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an
[isolated incident]. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
Lee C. @ Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm
"Oh yeah? So you have an actual set of calculated odds do ya?"
Petes @ Sat Sep 02, 01:07:00 pm
No good reason was ever given for why would I want to go get calculated odds to support a position he'd admitted to just half hour before (@ 12:33 am); i.e. his admission that ‘there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather.’
Anybody doesn't get how all this goes together? (Anybody ‘cept Petes that is.)
More later.
Irma has made landfall in the Keys. They are concerned with the main bridge that connects the Keys to the mainland as the storm surge comes in. There may be some structural damage as things get washed away. I'm watching live feed on CNN. How strange, those waiving palm trees look almost pretty to watch. Apparently the winds aren't quite as strong as those that hit Barbuda, St. Bart's and the other islands, as the trees are not snapping, yet. Either that or they have a stronger root system.
Gonna be a lot of Irma in the news for the next 48 hours.
[Petes]: "…there is no such thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather."
[Chumpy the Balrog @ Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00]: "It is just barely remotely possible that Harvey was somehow an unrelated independent anomaly. Not bloody damn likely, but just remotely possible."
[Chumpy]: "No good reason was ever given for why would I want to go get calculated odds to support a position he'd admitted to just half hour before"
Anybody else see the "agreement" that Chumpy has imagined up for hisself?
That's the best ya got?
Nope. That's far from the best I got. I don't need my best to show you up for a lyin' troll.
Man just don't learn. Can't seem to absorb any new information.
"I didn't say it was an agreement with me. You're not an agreeable
person in the main.
"It was an improvident admission is what it was."
Lee C. @ Thu Sep 07, 09:09:00 pm ↑↑
Doesn't sink in with him. To wit:
"Anybody else see the "agreement" that Chumpy has imagined up
for hisself?"
Petes @ Sun Sep 10, 11:31:00 am ↑↑
He just don't learn.
Lynnnette: "I know, I know, what can I say? I just never got around to it. I actually did start at one point watching old classic movies, such as Casablanca."
I had one of those episodes myself. I actually went to the IMDB top 250 list and ordered all the classics I had not yet seen. Casablanca was one (good), Twelve Angry Men another (thoughtworthy), Citizen Kane another (and a dissapointment) The Good The Bad And The Ugly another (great). Seven Samurais another still (long). Plus a few more.
But, and now I'm being totally honest here, you really DO need to watch the Godfather movies, all three of them (although the first is the most important one). Really you do! And then the Matrix. You'll enjoy the Matrix but having not seen the Godfather films those are way up there as prio 1.
I hated The Godfather movies. Couldn't actually bring myself to watch them in their entirety.
[Chumpy]: "It was an improvident admission"
LOL. Dug up any references for us yet? Nope? Troll on, troll boy.
As I pointed out earlier today, fat boy just don't learn. To wit:
"No good reason was ever given for why would I want to go get
calculated odds to support a position he'd admitted to just half hour
before (@ 12:33 am); i.e. his admission that ‘there is no such
thing as an isolated incident in Earth's weather.’"
Lee C. @Sun Sep 10, 08:38:00 am
But, it goes right over his head. Witness: He comes back with this:
"Dug up any references for us yet? Nope?"
Petes @ Sun Sep 10, 02:32:00 pm
Fat boy just don't learn--nothin’ sinks in.
You tryin' to break some kind of record for tiresome trolling? Already explained it to ya multiple times, for example at Tue Sep 05, 01:06:00 pm and Fri Sep 08, 02:59:00 pm, with references (if ya don't know what that means, they're the things I always provide to back up an argument, and you never do). Like I said, dudn't matter to me if yore actually stupid, or jes' actin' that way. "Yore audience" can just follow the links or do their own Googlin'. You playin' dumb ain't gonna change that, no matter how long y'all try to drag it out. That's just makin' ya look pathetic.
Fairly desperate move for you to be making. Usually you'd wait long enough for Lynnette and Marcus to forget that you never did address the matter at hand before you tried to pretend you'd explained what you did not explain.
But, I have to save something for tomorrow; it's my turn to open.
So…
Ciao for now.
(That was already going to be my opening for tomorrow anyway, but I should note now that only one of those, the latter one, has any ‘references’, which I will note now because I didn't plan on addressing your claim of ‘references’, and trying to work that point in tomorrow will disturb my flow, so I'll just mention that now.)
It looks like Irma doglegged inland almost as soon as it hit lower Florida. This has cut way down on the storm surge it generates as it heads up the peninsula, so that's a good thing.
It also contributed to Irma dropping down to a category 1 storm a little earlier than might otherwise have been the case, another good thing.
Looks like it'll still pass south and west of Atlanta, a third good thing.
All-in-all, coulda been worse.
"Five days on…“
Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 08:32:00 am
Nine days on now; tomorrow we go into double digits. Also, be my turn to open tomorrow.
Today we review another point.
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"…the point was that you cannot include [global warming]."
Petes @ Fri Sep 08, 02:59:00 pm ↑↑
Of course we can include global warming; indeed, considered from any reasonable viewpoint, we must include global warming.
"The trend [global warming] is real. The human activity is real.
The connection between the two is real."
Lee C. @ Sat Sep 02, 12:44:00 pm
"…future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions…"
Petes @ Fri Sep 08, 02:59:00 pm ↑↑ (emphasis by Petes)
Anthropogenic global warming, is one of those ‘initial conditions’ that determine the future behavior. The fact that we don't yet have computers capable of doing the complex calculations (nor a full enough understanding of all the necessary data) doesn't mean we toss aside our knowledge of the existence of one of the known ‘initial conditions’ (i.e. global warming). We don't get to ignore what we know to be true just because it doesn't suit Petes for us to take notice of it.
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And now, on to another point he was fool enough to tee up for me.
"Already explained it to ya multiple times…"
Petes @ Sun Sep 10, 07:51:00 pm ↑↑
‘It’ what? What is ‘it’? What, precisely, what did you supposedly explain multiple times?
See, that was a mistake fat boy. That's too easy to notice and and even if it weren't so easy to notice, it's way too soon to try that one. (Kinda explains why you stick to the same tricks time after time. You don't ad-lib worth a shit.) Gives me several more ways though, and several more days if I want to string it out, of wallowing you around in your own bullshit for our friends here to watch. We'll have more on this later.
And more tomorrow.
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Back to you fat boy.
[Chumpy]: "Anthropogenic global warming, is one of those ‘initial conditions’ that determine the future behavior. The fact that we don't yet have computers capable of doing the complex calculations (nor a full enough understanding of all the necessary data) doesn't mean we toss aside our knowledge of the existence of one of the known ‘initial conditions’ (i.e. global warming)."
LMAO. As I suspected, y'all do not understand diddly squat about deterministic chaos. Was pretty obvious from the start, but I didn't think y'all'd actually come out and parade yer iggerance so explicitly. Yore usually too cagey for that. I guess it shows that in this case ya didn't even know how iggerant ya were. It's all unknown unknowns for y'all.
Don't bother waitin' for my "turn". Y'all are more than welcome to have that as the last word. Bye chump. LOL.
Marcus: But, and now I'm being totally honest here, you really DO need to watch the Godfather movies, all three of them (although the first is the most important one). Really you do! And then the Matrix. You'll enjoy the Matrix but having not seen the Godfather films those are way up there as prio 1.
Petes: I hated The Godfather movies. Couldn't actually bring myself to watch them in their entirety.
Well, I am curious. I will have to see. One question, though, what was the reason for either liking or disliking The Godfather?
Now, if I recall right, you both liked The Matrix
, while Lee did not. I will have to see if I have time to see at least the first Godfather movie this weekend. Last weekend I had a play.
All-in-all, coulda been worse.
Yes. Now we will see how those updated building codes fared. I think they lost at least one crane in Miami. I don't think it did much damage though. The water was the real issue there.
I am The Great and Wonderful Petes.
Petes @ Mon Sep 11, 02:29:00 pm ↑↑ (lightly paraphrased)
I take it everybody can see that, when directly confronted about exactly what was it that he supposedly explained earlier, Petes decided to bluster and not answer.
Let's look at again at the corner he's backed himself into; look at that claim he made that he will not answer for:
"Already explained it to ya multiple times, for example at Tue Sep
05, 01:06:00 pm and Fri Sep 08, 02:59:00 pm…"
Petes @ Sun Sep 10, 07:51:00 pm ↑↑
Actually, no, he did not already explain it at, for example, either of those places, nor anywhere else. But, let's break that down, take them one at a time.
First one would be… Tue Sep 05, 01:06:00 pm
What he did at Tue Sep 05, 01:06:00 pm was to make the claim that he'd already explained what he will not explain. To wit:
"Already explained it to ya. As I said, ya either don't understand…
blah, blah, and etc., but no explanation of anything"
Petes @ Tue Sep 05, 01:06:00 pm
(Check it out guys; it's easy to see. What he now proposes was an explanation was merely a claim that he's already done the explanation.)
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Second one would be… Fri Sep 08, 02:59:00 pm
Nope, no explanation there either. Check it out guys. Fri Sep 08, 02:59:00 pm No explanation there. He does a brief sidetrack onto general characteristics of the Chaos Theory, quoted out of Wikipedia, but he never ties it in. It doesn't connect. He doesn't actually explain anything. He hopes you won't notice. (There's one kinda weird spot where bolds some completely irrelevant Wikipedia language, i.e. ‘the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable’, but we're not engaged here in an argument about how ‘predictable’ the weather might or might not be. That was never the point.)
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And that's all there is.
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Back to you fat boy.
"As I recall…Lee did not [like The Matrix]"
I didn't say that. I said I couldn't see it as a classic. It wasn't a bad movie, just not one of the greats, not in my opinion. It's best elements were in the realm of special effects.
Lost two cranes in Miami that I know of.
Probably ought to point out about now that Petes was the one who first decided to troll this question. To wit:
"And lest we forget:
***
"Five days on, and no sign of an authoritative reference…"
Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 08:32:00 am
And then, typical for Petes, he promptly wussed out. So, being the helpful fella that I am, I decided to step up and make sure he had as much of this subject as he might need, at least for now. (He'll no doubt later try to resurrect a claim that he won this round hands down, but that'll have to wait for later.)
Chumpy has got it into his head there's a debate goin' on here, some kind of back and forth. Actually, it turns at y'all never knew enough about the subject to even enter into a sensible discussion. But I'll give ya one more shot at it. There's no point in me reiteratin' (again) how I already explained it to ya. It's clear from y'all's bitchin' that ya don't have the prerequisites to understand the explanation, or even recognise it as an explanation. So ya can have another chance. Yore nonsense that I quoted at Mon Sep 11, 02:29:00 pm ... find me one scientist who agrees with yore position and I'll concede the argument. If y'all can't understand my explanation, I'll accept any authoritative backup y'all can provide for yore own. Can't say fairer than that. Show "yore audience" that ya have something -- anything -- other than y'all's own bluster.
(Been askin' ya for references for long enough. Ya get one more shot at it. No references -- no more responses from me on the topic. Life's too short and y'all's too boring to drag this out any further).
[Lynnette]: "One question, though, what was the reason for either liking or disliking The Godfather?"
It is unrelentingly depressing. None of the characters have any redeeming features. I can enjoy a movie about the struggle between good and evil, but not one where everyone is bad. Especially not one with such gritty realism. I watch movies for escapism, the less reality and the more fantastical the better.
"…find me one scientist who agrees with yore position…"
First thing. What do you believe my position happens to be? What do you want to see this ‘one scientist’ say? (I think you're totally clueless there, and when pressed to actually articulate a solid point you'll find yourself stumped again.) Then we'll get to the second thing.
"There's no point in me reiteratin' (again) how I already explained it to ya."
I think that part's true. Not a tinker's chance in hell you're pull that one out now.
Side note to Marcus and Lynnette,
He will not be able to actually write it down. It's not in him. The best he'll be able to do, the closest he'll be able to come is something like, ‘Go to here and read this and discover the point for me’ or, ‘I already explained it many, many times’ or some such crap as that.
He will not be able to write down; it's not in him.
Post Script:
"…No references -- no more responses from me…"
That would not constitute a loss to anybody else. But tomorrow is still my turn to open.
"Five days on…“
Petes @ Thu Sep 07, 08:32:00 am ↑↑
Ten days on now.
"[Lee C.] has got it into his head there's a debate goin' on here…"
Petes @ Mon Sep 11, 07:22:00 pm ↑↑
Bad guess fat boy; not what was happenin’; not even close.
In round ten of Mayweather vs McGregor they called the fight because Mayweather (the American) was pounding McGregor (the Irishman) pretty much at will.
This time the Irishman threw in the towel during the ninth. Didn't make it to the tenth.
Ring the final bell (ding, ding, ding); it's over.
We should perhaps refer to this in the future as The Great Petes' Chaos Construct. Has a festive ring to it, doncha think?
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N.B.
Afterwards McGregor complained that they'd stopped the fight too early, said he still had fight left in him. Obviously that was not true, but bein’ an ego-driven Irishman; he pretty much had to say that.
I think I've noticed a recent slow-down in Trump's twitter activity of late, last week or so maybe, and generally blander stuff when he does post.
I'm thinking I might attribute this to the domination of the headlines by hurricanes. Fewer headlines about him and he has fewer itches to scratch. Just a thought.
None of the characters have any redeeming features.
Oh dear, that doesn't bode well. I too rather like to have someone I can empathize with or even like. We'll see.
I think I've noticed a recent slow-down in Trump's twitter activity of late, last week or so maybe, and generally blander stuff when he does post.
Maybe someone told him he actually had to take an interest in tax reform, so he's been studying up on what it is.
Or maybe he's finally realizing that he is his own worst enemy.
Lost two cranes in Miami that I know of.
Yes, I think there ended up being more than one. At least no one lost their life, though, in the collapse.
I've been noticing a trend in reporting on the devastation trailing behind Irma. Seems some of the folks, from easter Caribbean islands across through Florida are increasingly troubled by the notion that some of the other victims of the hurricane will get more than their fair share of the charitable and governmental assistance leaving the victim in front of the camera coming up short of ‘his fair share’ or some such thing.
May just be the reporters or editors thinking those particular story lines are clickworthy or whatever, but it may be a real trend.
It appears that Mexico has withdrawn its offer of assistance to Texas after the large earthquake that just occurred. Understandable, as they need the resources. It also appears that, while various local and state officials from the US have offered condolences to Mexico on the earthquake, our president has not.
I have heard about evacuation of US tourists from the various Caribbean islands that were hit, but have not heard what, if any, other kind of aid is being offered to those who remain. That is aid from the US government.
Btw, Lee, I saw a list of the names for the possible hurricanes for this season. The next one after Katia is named Lee.
"It appears that Mexico has withdrawn its offer of assistance to
Texas after the large earthquake that just occurred."
I saw that. The U.S. government had never taken them up on the offer. (In a break from tradition, the Trump administration never even acknowledged the offer I don't think, although the State of Texas had, and Rex Tillerson once referred to it informally.) And I think, not certain, but think I remember this right, the Mexicans didn't withdraw the offer until Hurricane Katia hit on the east side a few days after the earthquake on the west side.
Now this is an interesting article.
Why Don't Facts Matter
At a time when polarization is at its peak and truth is a four-letter word, the question on everyone's minds is: Why does evidence seem to have little influence on people's beliefs, and what can be done?
How is it that citing clear evidence of a human role in global warming fails to persuade climate skeptics to change their minds? Why do people spend money on so-called bio-frequency healing stickers, despite no scientific basis for their effectiveness? And how do individuals on opposite sides of partisan divides reach very different estimates of the number of people who attended the 2017 presidential inauguration, despite photographic documentation of the event?
I will have to try to remember to look up the second part of this series.
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