Hmm...possibly. Or perhaps it will be The Great Wail of Trump. That has a nice ring to it too. ;)
Btw, you weren't the only one who predicted Trump's win. Apparently Michael Moore did as well. Interesting. He has also predicted that Trump won't complete a 4 year term. He wasn't specific as to why.
Well, we might debate it during construction when I will surely tell you about the great builder Trump and how he'll build his Great Wall on time and under budget - as he was wont to do in his building business previously.
I'm sure. If he runs it like he ran his casino empire then we won't really have to be concerned about an actual wall being built.
"He has also predicted that Trump won't complete a 4 year term."
That thought has crossed my mind as well. If Michael Moore's thinkin’ like I'm thinkin’ the thought is that he's not used to having his will frustrated on a daily basis by those he considers his inferiors. And he's gonna be gettin’ a lot of that starting in January, if not before. Quite simply, he's temperamentally unsuited to the job, and it'll drive ‘im nuts. (Hopefully he'll get frustrated and resign before he gets frustrated and orders somebody to be nuked.)
Truman is reported to have once said he felt sorry for Eisenhower, who was coming in to succeed him:
“He’ll sit here, and he’ll say, ‘Do this! Do that!’ And nothing will happen. Poor Ike—it won’t be a bit like the Army. He’ll find it very frustrating."
Trump will have it much worse. Not only will people ignore his orders, they will publicly question his ability and his honor and his intelligence; they will ridicule him publicly--‘He'll find it very frustrating’.
Jesse Ventura started to really hate the press. I suspect Trump will be the same. He actually already does, I think.
Funny you should mention Truman. I was watching a clip of an interview with Warren Buffet. He was asked about Trump's actual business ability. Basically he said that Trump was good at licensing, or promoting his brand, but had various enterprises go bankrupt because he wasn't good at operations. The interviewer asked how that would translate into running the country and Buffet said that he wasn't worried about that. Running a business and running a country weren't the same. Harry Truman went broke running a haberdashery shop, yet turned out to be a great president.
"I am skeptical about Trump turning out to be a great president."
I suppose I am beyond being merely skeptical.
I'm also fairly convinced that Glenn Hannibaugh supported Trump mostly because they had to maintain their position as the angry right-wing outsider group. That's an integral part of their business model. (Their audience tunes in to find other people to be angry with--if they're happy with the world they don't need to tune in--they can join the real world.) Now Glenn Hannibaugh have to find a way to be angry with The Donald's brave new world. That means they have to have an enemy to dedicate themselves against. Likely this enemy will be Donald Trump. Soon as he deviates from Glenn Hannibaugh orthodoxy they've got their raison d'être again, and he will deviate from Glenn Hannibaugh orthodoxy. (Possible they may continue to support The Donald if only to provide a rallying point to continue their attacks on Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and the rest of the Republican ‘establishment’. But, I'm betting on they turn on Trump within the first budget deal to clear Congress.)
I think every President since Kennedy was shot has chaffed at the glass prison aspect of it.
I'm listening to the Trumkins on the Sunday morning talking heads programs. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that their guy took in fewer votes than did Hillary Clinton. This does not bode well.
I am aware of that. But, I didn't want to go to the bother of creating another portmanteau, especially as I expect Rush, Sean and the rest to be on Beck's side of the yellin’ match within six months.
Now, Laura Ingraham is likely to be a Trumpkin for life. (She'll even pretend to believe in the imaginary wall when the time comes to pretend on that subject.) She's another matter entirely.
And, just on account of the immigrant problem is your big deal… Paul Ryan was saying in public today that Trump has abandoned his promise to round up the illegal immigrants and deport same back to Mexico and such other points to the south as may be appropriate in any given case. (Link)
So, no fence, no ejecting the illegals, none of that stuff. (Glenn Hannibaugh will come around to agreeing with this one soon ‘nuff--it'll take more than this to corner them. Laura Ingraham will just pretend it's not really happenin’.)
Oh, yeah, and the other news for the day. Kellyanne Conway tells us that The Donald is somehow gonna ‘drain the swamp’ as he calls it, but also he's gonna keep all the alligators. Link
Well, nine months. We got three months to go before Trump's actually in there, and Glenn Hannibaugh can use that time to keep pretending and to try to figure out how to pretend along another four years (another six months they'll have to give up on that notion).
And, let's be clear on this before Marcus comes back with the obvious challenge. Every politician welshes on his campaign promises. However, no American Presidential candidate in modern times (say…post Roosevelt--the first Roosevelt, and including him), no American Presidential candidate has lied so much about what he intended to deliver. Neither has any modern candidate run so openly against the system itself, much less won on the promise he was going to deliver…deliver…well, deliver something, if only to burn the damn thing down around us all.
Trump is somethin’ special in this regard. His voters are gonna expect to see, somethin’ other than that the ‘establishment’ is all freaked out. They expect him to somehow magically improve their lot, and if not improve their current lot, at least improve their prospects. Trump is going to wildly undeliver. And he's got no friends to fall back on when that happens. (He's in the same shit-shape in that regard as is FBI Director James Comey.)
About the only thing he can do is burn the damn thing down around us all. I worry ‘bout him havin’ those nuclear codes; I really do. It's not likely he'll go that far, but it's gonna be real bad if he does the unlikely, and with him ya never know fer shure.
"Running a business and running a country weren't the same."
True, the last ‘businessman’ we had running the country was Herbert Hoover. He had a Republican Congress (both houses) beginning in 1928. The crash came in 1929.
He says he's still going to build a wall, in places. Other places a fence will suffice. He's not going to take the presidential salary of $400,000. He will take $1. He, and his family who were with him for the interview, say the fears of the protesters are overblown. Now he's saying we have great generals, when asked about ISIS, yet he says they haven't done the job. He wants to keep parts of Obamacare.
Hmmm...he actually sounds sincere when he says he is doing this for the country. That he wants to make things better for the American people. Well, I guess we'll see.
He has chosen Preibus as his chief of staff, a Washington insider, but has chosen Bannon as his chief adviser. Maybe a concession to those Tea Party supporters?
"He has chosen Preibus as his chief of staff, a Washington insider, but has chosen Bannon as his chief adviser. Maybe a concession to those Tea Party supporters?"
Schizophrenia I think; nothing more. He's unable to decide which way he's going, not yet anyway.
I found the video from CBS and watched the entire interview (Ivanka's boobs are implants).
He's still running his con. Very little of that was sincere. Some of it was prep work for the promises he's not going to keep, but mostly he's just still running his con, holding on ‘til he figures out what to do next.
Lt. Gen Michael Flynn (ret.), Trump's most public, and probably his most influential national security advisor, turns out to be a paid lobbyist for the Turkish government. (Politico.com) I suppose we can reasonably anticipate Trump saying all kinds of nice things about Erdoğan as the new administration moves into power.
His prior campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had his name show up on a ledger belonging to a Ukrainian rebel warlord with entries for under-the-table cash payments. (Ledger got snagged by the Ukrainian government in a battle that didn't go the warlord's way.)
It has occurred to me that, as there really isn't a problem with Mexicans sneaking across our southern border (more Mexicans are sneaking back the other way these days than are sneaking north), all Trump has to do is declare that he's ‘solved’ the Mexican border problem. Since his people didn't notice that the problem didn't exist in the first place, there's a fairly good chance they'll not notice he didn't solve the nonexistent problem. He might even claim he got the Mexicans to pay for ‘it’. They might never notice.
By the way, there's a rumor afoot that Trump is trying to figure out how to continue to hold those large rallies even after he's inaugurated. (Trying to remember who that reminds me of. I know there's an historical precedent for that thing with the continued mass rallies, I just can't seem to remember who that was…)
(Trying to remember who that reminds me of. I know there's an historical precedent for that thing with the continued mass rallies, I just can't seem to remember who that was…)
Kind of like that huge Trump sign in New York after he won. That reminded me of someone too. Now if Trump grows a mustache it's going to be reeeeaaalllly scary...
Just listened to Paul Ryan suckin’ up to The Donald. All ‘bout how the Republicans are united and going forward and all that good stuff. I don't know ‘bout that, maybe, but then again, maybe they'll notice that they're about to blow right through the sequester they've been defending against Obama's domestic spending.
Gonna be interesting to watch when they try to reconcile Trump's promises with Ryan's budget agenda. Are they really gonna blow the deficits up beyond anything ever done before? Maybe they will. One thing's for sure, the futher tax cuts for the rich are still high on Ryan's agenda, and Trump is probably on board with those.
Clinton's lead in the popular vote has moved past 1 million votes, and California isn't all in yet. (It's generally estimated that Democrats have to about 5%-7% better than Republicans to pull even with them in Congress; now it's getting to where the Democrats have to pull a significant lead in Presidential votes as well; this is the second time in 16 years that the Republicans have pulled out the Presidency while getting fewer votes than their Democratic opponent.)
"Trump's 2016 total… is over 700,000 votes less than what McCain drew in 2008 — and more than 1.7 million less than what Romney drew four years ago." Policy.mic
Russia is withdrawing from participation in the International Criminal Court. (Guardian) The Syrian rebels should take note. There is a strong possibility this may effect them.
Gonna be interesting to watch when they try to reconcile Trump's promises with Ryan's budget agenda.
I have to say that some of this might be rather amusing, except that it is so serious and will have consequences down the road.
I talked to someone who voted enthusiastically for Trump recently. I told him I couldn't stand the man, and he said he couldn't stand Hillary, harking back to the Clinton Foundation apparently accepting donations from foreign governments. *sigh* I have to wonder if he even looked at The Donald and his entourage.
"I have to wonder if he even looked at The Donald and his entourage."
Trump didn't have 20 years of Democrats piling up anger against him, so it's quite possible he didn't bother. (Although, I must admit that your Trump enthusiast at least identified a real problem with Hillary--most of them identify one or more of the imaginary scandals.)
I mentioned before that Trump made a mistake putting Pence in charge of the transition. He can't blame Pence and then fire him. He may need to. (Pence fucks up first thing.)
I have to say that I have wondered about this myself. I also wondered if it wasn't why Micheal Moore thought that Donald Trump would not serve out his entire term. But I couldn't get beyond that sticking point that the Republicans hold both sides of Congress. However, he gets beyond that.
Yeah, there is that Pence waiting in the wings thing; I've thought of that. But, they'd have to get the Democrats to go along with them. It takes two thirds to convict on a Bill of Impeachment. The Democrats might want to run against President Trump in four years. So, it's risky to try that. (If you try to kill the king--make sure you kill the king.)
Word is that Newt Gingrich has declined to serve in a Donald Trump administration although he says he'd be happy to act as a freelance ‘advisor’ (with pay one suspects).
And, in a closing note for the day (on Trump and Trumpkins anyway), it appears that The Donald was unaware that there federal ‘anti-nepotism’ statues that will bar his family from serving in his administration. (So, they likely don't need those top secret clearances he was trying to get for them.) I'm sure we'll hear some Trumping ‘bout how unfair that is before too long.
"He has given a voice and power to that group of people," Beck told Anderson Cooper on "AC360." "You don't empower people like that. You just don't. It's not smart."
Glenn Beck is pretty hard on Trump and all things related to Trump. (He's convinced, correctly I think, that Trump is not a conservative; Trump is a true fascist--(no Marcus, not a Nazi; Nazis were derivative fascists).) Bannon is closer to the Nazi form of fascism than is Trump, but Trump's not bothered by it. Glenn Beck is. On a related note, Politico.com is claiming that a whole bunch of Obama's fiercest critics on the Iranian agreement are now semi-terrified that Trump is stupid enough to pull out of that agreement. (Seems a lot of them were anti-Obama more than anti- on that nuclear limitation agreement. Now that Obama's not there to rag about it, they're afraid Trump doesn't know the difference between trying to drum up political resistance to Obama and actually going through with it. The first is a good thing from their perspective, the second… Not so much. Gonna be some of that happenin’ on the repeal of ObamaCare as well, but that's gonna come later.)
Ain't gonna be no wall; wall ain't gonna happen. (Sean Hannity's gonna have a problem explaining this away--he'll get it done, no doubt ‘bout that, but it may compromise his credibility with those among his listeners who actually thought Trump was gonna build a wall.)
Rep. Pete Sessions, a Republican who represents a district in suburban Dallas, said the wall could be thought of as “an analogy” for fences and drone surveillance. “We’re going to defend our sovereignty and our immigration policy.”
LOL!
Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who feuded with Trump during the campaign season, said he hadn’t followed developments about the wall but that he supports Trump’s plan to deport immigrants who have committed crimes.
Ummm...isn't that what we are already doing?
“If he deports those with criminal records,” Flake said, “he’ll get no argument from
Obama's been setting a record pace on the deportation of criminal illegals. We're already there. So, yeah, you kinda get it there. What they're gonna be doing (at least what we know about from their claims made so far) is they're gonna be doing what Obama's already been doing. The difference is, they're gonna claim they fixed the problem by doing the same thing they said was a problem. (And Sean and Rush are gonna pretend for them, and their voters are gonna pretend to believe Sean and Rush.)
This sort of thing'll go along until they get that Supreme Court appointment done. That's gonna be a test.
Title: What Trump Voters Want Now―Politico.com. Summary of essay: They want Trump to bring back jobs in the steel mills and the union auto plants and in the coal mines, especially in the mills and the mines. Unfortunately, ain't none of that gonna happen. In the meantime, there's the Supreme Court nomination(s) to consider. If Trump goes right-wing on that, he'll get some slack from Glenn Hannibaugh, for a while anyway. (They've already collectively decided that the wall ain't happenin’ and they're okay with that.) But, Trump's gotta win back the Middle American economic advantages of the high-school graduate white folks of the 1950s in order to keep their allegiance for another four years. (Or, so says this essay.) And that ain't gonna happen.
So yeah. Ya'll have come up with this so far: Trump is an agent paid for by Putin who will cozy up with Erdogan and he's emulating Hitler in speach and appearence. Plus he's a possible nuke-trigger-happy world destroyer.
AND he grabs women by the p*ssy - don't forget about that!
Are ya'll digging bomb shelters yet? Because from what you say you think you must certainly be at least planning for that.
"Buy ‘em books and buy ‘em books and they just don't learn"
"…Trump is a true fascist--…no Marcus, not a Nazi; Nazis were derivative fascists…"
No need to dig bomb shelters for the duration of Trump's tenure; Trump's gonna lie down for Putin if anything. And, I don't think he's gonna last past the first term, so there's no need to toss him. (Of course, my guess was that Clinton was gonna be a one term President as well. I never could figure out why she'd run in the current atmosphere, but I did think she'd win--if only because Trump is gonna be such a disaster and I figured more people would see it.) Truth is, a majority of Trump's voters admit to considering him unfit to hold the office they just voted him into. Trump was rage unleashed is all that was. We'll pay for it, but the republic will survive him. (I don't think the Republican Party will though.)
Come to think on it, if anybody's gonna be digging bomb shelters it'd be some of the Europeans. Trump's commitment to defending Europe from Putin's aggression is highly questionable at best. And Putin hasn't shown himself to be the kinda fella who'd let an opportunity like that get past him. (Surely Putin sees Trump as a one-termer too; means Putin should strike while he's got the free shot.) No, Marcus, I'm not enhancing my root cellar. How ‘bout you?
(Marcus is just bein’ pissy ‘cause it's finally sinkin’ in with him that Trump ain't gonna build no wall, and Marcus was lookin’ forward to that, if just for something to point to as an example and inspiration for when he finally gets around to arguing in favor of dropping Swedish Muslims into a cold North Sea at some distance from shore.)
Comment on Trump's interviews and selections for positions in his government:
"…there’s almost a sense here that Trump is enjoying having his former opponents come before him and then not giving them what they want.” Politico.com
Mitt Romney might want to keep that in mind for their scheduled meeting in New Jersey.
Lee: "gets around to arguing in favor of dropping Swedish Muslims into a cold North Sea at some distance from shore"
There are no Swedish muslims. Well maybe a convert or a few. Those we'll have to keep I guess. De-program them maybe. The rest, who are not swedes, just have to go home is all, no need to be cruel about it like you suggest.
"She thought and still think she was entitled to it."
You seem to have missed my point. The Republicans were almost certain to great her with the same ‘resist all things at all costs and at all times’ approach they settled upon for their dealings with Obama. She was looking at four years of more gridlock and probable ouster in four years for the sin of having not been able to crack the solid Republican wall of resistance. (She does not have Obama's personality to bolster her favorables in the light of years of not getting anything done.) I don't see why she'd have deigned to suffer those indignities. I don't get why she'd want the job in today's Republican environment.
Trump has other and more fundamental flaws. He's promised what he cannot deliver, and he doesn't have much in the way of actual respect among his voters to bolster him when he massively underpreforms on his promises to bring back the 1950s. I don't think he's likely to get re-elected either once his voters have had their full fill of him. (Of course, that might depend somewhat on whether the Democrats nominate another deeply flawed candidate.)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "There are no Swedish muslims."
That's about to change. Just how long must a person, even a Muslim person, maintain residency in Sweden before applying for Swedish citizenship? Five years at the outside, is it not?
So I'm trying to keep an open mind. I'm trying to give Trump a chance to prove to me that he is actually capable of holding the highest office in the land. I realize that it is a job that he is little qualified for, that he is new to public criticism on a massive scale, that he is not used to being talked back to. But sometimes his reactions just reinforce how ill suited he is to be president.
This:
1 hour ago - View on Twitter The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!
This was in response to the cast of Hamilton passing on thoughts, that many Americans are having, to Mike Pence, who was in the theater watching the play. This was done at the end of the show and was given as a small speech by one of the actors in a very polite manner.
Sorry, Mr. Trump, you just took the low road again. Those people in the cast have just as much of a right to talk to their elected representatives as do the people who attended your rallies. I will give Mike Pence a lot of credit for waiting to hear them out. You, with that childish tweet, I give none.
Lee: "I don't see why she'd have deigned to suffer those indignities. I don't get why she'd want the job in today's Republican environment."
Again: she thought she was entitled to it. It was owed to her. People of that disposition don't stop and ponder reality or future problems or the makeup of congress..
That's probably the easiest question to answer in all of this. Hillary ran for Hillary and that was all there was to it. Even her campaign slogan read "I'm with her" as if "her" was the main point, which it was, to her.
Don't tell me you haven't seen that already Lee. You might be an idiot on topics sometimes but you're not not clever. Surely you can tell that Hillary would have run for Hillary no matter the odds, no matter the consequences and no matter whether it did America good or bad.
" This was done at the end of the show and was given as a small speech by one of the actors in a very polite manner."
It was, in fact, a polite and respectful speech, in substance as well as in presentation. The actor had a chance to write down what he wanted to say, having seen Pence there during the show, so there is a written text. Excerpts were published on NBCNews.com this morning.
Oh, you were talking about muslim citizens of Sweden. I thought you were talking about swedish muslims. You said so. You said "swedish muslims".
They are not the same you know. Much like I can never become a chinese myself, nor could you for that matter, an arab, muslim or non-muslim, can never become a swede. See how that works?
And again you just don't get it. When you get dense (which happens with some regularity) you always seem to think it's somebody else who's being the idiot. I am ‘entitled’ to several things I don't particularly want.
It made no sense to me that she should want the Presidency in today's political environment. The Republicans are a minority who're holding on to their political power by the power of gerrymandering, (with the Presidency now, as well as in the Congress) but they are a powerful and consequential minority, and the job was gonna be four years of grief. I never could figure out why she would still want it, given what the Republicans have become since she was last in the White House as First Lady (other than maybe she somehow thought that her insider political skills would allow her to get something important done--there was, of course, the importance of holding off Trump and his fascist friends, but anybody could have done that part--didn't require her taking four years of grief for that).
I'm pretty sure Swedish law says otherwise. (‘Swedish’ is not a recognized ethnicity. Nothing in particular distinguishes you from Norwegians or even Danes, or Germans or Dutch, or Icelanders, or even native northern Britons for that matter, and there's a lot of kinship with the French Normans I believe.)
So basically you're saying that the Democrats should have folded, just given up, let the Republicans just choose a President, because no sane Democrat candidate would even want the job. Or what is it you're trying to get at here?
One of your less thought through "sour grapes" arguments, this one. Back to the drawing board Lee. This dog just won't hunt.
Reckognized or not know a Swede when I see one, and a muslim from Mogadishu ain't one even if he speaks like us.
But this is runnig off on a tangent here. YOU said I wanted to drown such muslims in an icy North Sea. That'd be cruel and unnessesary.
I say it's quite enough and ultimately best for both parties if they just go home. There's no need to get more dramatic about it. Muslim arabs belong i arabia, muslim africans in muslim africa, and we semi-christian swedes get to keep our one and only homeland for us. Easy, no?
"Swedish Muslims"! Ya'll adopted them; they're yours now. That's how that works. I'm not gonna comment on the wisdom of ya'll having done that in the first place (beyond reminding folks that I've been consistently against taking in refugees here into the United States, and I remain so opposed.), but what's done is done.
"So basically you're saying that the Democrats should have folded, just given up, let the Republicans just choose a President, because no sane Democrat candidate would even want the job. Or what is it you're trying to get at here?"
No, I'm saying Hillary was (is) 70 years old and already well respected, and didn't need the grief. I don't know why still wanted it. She left the Secretary of State's position with something like a 66% public approval rating among the American public (how soon they forgot what they used to think of her). I can understand why somebody still young and hungry for glory might want the job (and the Democrats had enough of those folks in addition to having been adopted by the Socialist Bernie Sanders.) I don't get why she thought she still had something to prove.
By the way; the Democrats still have enough to run filibusters in the Senate. And they're gonna. Kinda hard to figure why Jeb Bush came back for it--Rubio, Cruz, Christie, those guys I understand--still young and looking for glory. But Bush didn't need the grief either.
Lee: "And I'm guessing they'll have a different opinion about what's best for themselves and their children."
Basically yeah, because they like to leech off of our welfare system (that was built by the hard work of previous generations and NOT intended for arabs or africans). And they do have better economic opportunities here than at home.
Those are the only reasons they came here and stay here. It's not for the weather, it's not for any love or even slight likings for the swedes, it's all for money.
We can adress that in a variety of ways. Cut off subsidies, dismantle the wellfare state again, ramp up law enforcement seriously, etc.
Most would be going home again without any need for force. IF their home countries aren't wrecked by war that is. I see a point in giving temporary refuge to Syrians right now, but those are just 15% of the entire immigrant flood.
Anyway, much can be done and we won't need to resort to drowning people on the high seas as you fantasise we might.
"And I've told you now twice just why. You ought to learn how to listen boy."
You apparently didn't get my point even after I explained it to you. Perhaps some inability to absorb the difference between being ‘entitled’ to something and ‘wanting’ something. Perhaps your usually adequate grasp of English has failed you here. (Or, perhaps there's no corresponding words in Swedish and the concepts are beyond your ken--hard to tell from here which it is, but not worth going over again. Doesn't matter if you're still cluesless, at least, doesn't matter enough to keep me coming back to it when it seems to be rather over your head.)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "What's done can be undone too."
Actually, there's some ‘International Law’ on that subject, and I believe you've also got to reckon with Brussels on that one, now that you've offered them citizenship and therefore legal status in the European Union. It ain't likely to get ‘undone’ ever.
Yeah, much was done to keep the niggers in check too. It eventually lead to lynchings (some drownings, but Southern trees bear strange fruit, as the song goes…). We have some familiarity over here with people who urge two classes of citizenship (or even more than two) based on ethnicities. We know how it ends. One side's gotta lose.
No Lee this is not a case where my english skills betray me. I said Hillary thought she was entitled to the Presidency.
"Simple Definition of entitlement : the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something : the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)"
She thought that herself. And an army of sychofants cheered her on. YOU Lee cheered her on (although I will grant you you mainly did that in your #nevertrump capacity, you were never a true believer like so many others). Only now that she got TRUMPED are you looking for alternative storylines.
Hillary WANTED the Precidency. She had wanted it for a decade. No matter the outcome she wanted the throne. Largely for personal reasons. She saw herself in the history books as the first woman president. And she thought it was owed to her. For her own sake, not for your sake.
Ah, so you do get it. You were just pretending to be dense for the sake of keeping up your end of the argument. Obstinate sucker, you are.
That's the part I don't get. I don't get why she still wanted it. It wasn't gonna be what she'd originally hoped it'd be; I thought anybody, even she, could see that.
Lee: "We have some familiarity over here with people who urge two classes of citizenship (or even more than two) based on ethnicities. We know how it ends. One side's gotta lose."
The thing with muslims is it seems yes, you either have to beat them or they beat you. One side's gotta lose - as you put it. A zero sum game.
Now you might call me a racist bigot for saying so but I humbly state that I would like MY SIDE to be the winning side. And while my side is still on top right here at home I do see a trend where we'll lose if we do not change the trajectory. So changes have to be made.
I am in favour of peaceful, while harsh, changes now instead of war in the near future (25-50 years on). Can you really blame me for feeling that way?
"One side's gotta lose - as you put it. A zero sum game."
I was referring to a situation where people were trying to enforce a tiered class of citizenship--superior legal rights for some citizens as opposed to other citizens. Do not try to pretend I was endorsing your bigotry nor that I was agreeing that it was inevitable. We have a rather better relationship with our Muslim citizens here in The States than you seem to be able to foster. It can be done. The fact that you don't want to do it doesn't change the fact that it can be done.
"That's the part I don't get. I don't get why she still wanted it. It wasn't gonna be what she'd originally hoped it'd be; I thought anybody, even she, could see that."
We're runnig in circles here. Yes I understand your point in how the Reps would have destroyed here precidency and for that she, in the normal way of thinking, not want it.
I'll have to be even more blunt here: HILLARY DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHIG BUT HILLARY BECOMING PRESIDENT.
Get that?
The functioning of the country or any other thing was second or third. Hillary=President that was always the main agenda.
She was owed the precidency. She stood by her unfaithful man all those years ago just to cling on to power. She had been humiliated and scorned, but there was this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow: the precidency, and she never took her eyes off that. But in the end she got TRUMPED!
Or, to be more blunt about it… You are trudging doggedly and intentionally towards that ‘zero-sum game’ you mentioned. That's your choice; that's not inevitable; that's your choice.
Lee: "We have a rather better relationship with our Muslim citizens here in The States than you seem to be able to foster."
That's because you have fewer of 'em. They always tend to keep a low profile until they feel they have power. Thanks to the great Donald J Trump you might continue to be so lucky.
"HILLARY DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHIG BUT HILLARY BECOMING PRESIDENT. "Get that?"
You're going long way ‘round ‘bout saying Hillary still ‘wanted’ it. Stubbornly stupid; stupid on purpose ya'are. That doesn't get close to explaining why she still wanted it. Even she could see it was gonna be four years of grief, but she couldn't give up on wantin’ it. I don't get that part.
That's because we tend to spread them out rather than allow them to cluster up and remain clustered up. (Everybody groups, or tends to; there's ‘Chinatowns’ in several big cities.) But, we purposely break them up into small enough groups that they have to interact with the larger culture. Eventually they integrate--a necessary first step to assimilation. We've done it with many groups before. It'll work with Muslims too.
"Thanks to the great Donald J Trump you might continue to be so lucky."
Even Hillary was talkin’ ‘bout bringing in only 65,000 Syrians (and only after extended ‘vetting’ and most of them family units). Among 320 million people, that's a token. I could live with that. Didn't particularly want it, but it was gonna be a token, not a problem. We could live with it.
And, just by the way, it doesn't appear that Trump is grateful enough to reward Comey. He appears to be ready to try to force Comey out as a way of making that problem go ‘way (or appear to go ‘way--out of sight, out of mind type of thing). Comey can't be fired though, and may resist Trump's efforts to pressure him out.
"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news…" etc. rest of link
See, this is why ya don't take in refugees. Ya take in people who want a different life from what they find back home. We take people who want to come to America to be in America. Our Muslims will tell ya; they're freer to practice their own form of Islam here than they were at home where they had to pretend to follow either the government form of Islam, or the dominant local form of Islam(most of ‘em anyway).
Yes you are better at integrating immigrants for sure.
We don't actually need them. The "pension savers" argument is just a hoax. We don't need them at all. Robotics today do the tasks you needed slave/migrant labour for in the past.
I mean the powers that be are claiming "pizza and kebeb" as huge achivments. While any swede could just go to say Ankara and be like: "Oh they put meat on a stick and then carve from it - I could do that at home too". How hard is a kebab to replicate really?
There is NOTHING GOOD our so called multculturalism has brought us. And I for one WILL fight it. And I'm hardly alone.
I can tell you this right now. The Sweden Democrats got 12.9% in our last election. They're now polling at about 18%. In our next eletions in 2018 they're gonna get at least 25%, probably close to 30%, possibly over 30% even. They will become our largest political party. I know that already but most folks have no clue about it yet.
That's why I could also call Trump for President despite most odds.
We're n a new paradigm and folks like Lee and his beliefs are as dead as the diunosaus. You're spent. Get with the new program or get left behind.
Jack Shaffer says Trump sent out that bizarre tweet to the Hamilton cast to take people's eyes off the fact that he just paid off on a $25 million fraud claim.
"That's why I could also call Trump for President despite most odds."
Fluke, it happens sometimes. Even Trump's internal numbers showed him losing. He was as surprised as anybody else. (Which is why he dumped Christie off of the transition team--he'd put Christie there on the assumption that it didn't matter. Soon as it did matter, Christie got the boot and family got the prize back.)
Get this Marcus. Trump won with fewer votes than John McCain got in his losing year 2000 bid. Trump won with fewer votes than Romney got with his 2012 loss. Bigger population; more voters; fewer votes, but he still won. Nobody could have reasonably predicted that would happen. You certainly did not.
And Trump lost the popular vote. But still eked out an electoral college win. That's fairly rare too. (But not so rare as to be totally unpredictable--happening more and more often these days, as a matter of fact) You didn't predict that either.
Fluke. Don't flog it like it means anything. It was just a fluke.
CNN is running with the idea that there's a real chance that Mitt Romney would agree to serve as Trump's Secretary of State. They're talking up Romney's foreign policy chops. This is the same Romney who went to London and insulted the Brits on their Olympics presentation. His foreign policy chops may be rather more questionable than CNN is puttin’ on here.
Jack Shaffer says Trump sent out that bizarre tweet to the Hamilton cast to take people's eyes off the fact that he just paid off on a $25 million fraud claim.
Well now, no evening news tonight, at least, not locally. College football on all three major channels. Guess we'll have to wait for the Sunday morning talking heads and maybe the Monday evening news.
"Robotics today do the tasks you needed slave/migrant labour for in the past."
Not picking fruit, or pickin’ most other produce. They have yet to develop a robot that is any good at distinguishing proper degrees of ripeness. Also, not shingling roofs, nor most other construction jobs. I don't think they're much good at cleaning house either, and, as for watchin’ the kids… I could go on.
Tomatoes, I think they harvest tomatoes mechanically now, but those cut the plant down at ground level and that's the end of that plant producing tomatoes for the season.
But I believe they have talked about it on CNN. At least I think that's where they interviewed one of the students, who basically said he felt embarrassed by having been taken.
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No, it's gonna be "The Great Wall of Trump"
Hmm...possibly. Or perhaps it will be The Great Wail of Trump. That has a nice ring to it too. ;)
Btw, you weren't the only one who predicted Trump's win. Apparently Michael Moore did as well. Interesting. He has also predicted that Trump won't complete a 4 year term. He wasn't specific as to why.
Well, we might debate it during construction when I will surely tell you about the great builder Trump and how he'll build his Great Wall on time and under budget - as he was wont to do in his building business previously.
I'm sure. If he runs it like he ran his casino empire then we won't really have to be concerned about an actual wall being built.
"He has also predicted that Trump won't complete a 4 year term."
That thought has crossed my mind as well. If Michael Moore's thinkin’ like I'm thinkin’ the thought is that he's not used to having his will frustrated on a daily basis by those he considers his inferiors. And he's gonna be gettin’ a lot of that starting in January, if not before. Quite simply, he's temperamentally unsuited to the job, and it'll drive ‘im nuts. (Hopefully he'll get frustrated and resign before he gets frustrated and orders somebody to be nuked.)
Truman is reported to have once said he felt sorry for Eisenhower, who was coming in to succeed him:
“He’ll sit here, and he’ll say, ‘Do this! Do that!’ And nothing will
happen. Poor Ike—it won’t be a bit like the Army. He’ll find it very
frustrating."
Trump will have it much worse. Not only will people ignore his orders, they will publicly question his ability and his honor and his intelligence; they will ridicule him publicly--‘He'll find it very frustrating’.
"Or perhaps it will be The Great Wail of Trump."
I like that. Or maybe Drumpfkin Howller. Nah, Great Wail of Trump works better.
Dang it! I hate when my videos disappear. Of course, maybe it's because they aren't my videos. Oh well. Found a similar one. For now it's good.
Jesse Ventura started to really hate the press. I suspect Trump will be the same. He actually already does, I think.
Funny you should mention Truman. I was watching a clip of an interview with Warren Buffet. He was asked about Trump's actual business ability. Basically he said that Trump was good at licensing, or promoting his brand, but had various enterprises go bankrupt because he wasn't good at operations. The interviewer asked how that would translate into running the country and Buffet said that he wasn't worried about that. Running a business and running a country weren't the same. Harry Truman went broke running a haberdashery shop, yet turned out to be a great president.
P.S.
I am skeptical about Trump turning out to be a great president.
"I am skeptical about Trump turning out to be a great president."
I suppose I am beyond being merely skeptical.
I'm also fairly convinced that Glenn Hannibaugh supported Trump mostly because they had to maintain their position as the angry right-wing outsider group. That's an integral part of their business model. (Their audience tunes in to find other people to be angry with--if they're happy with the world they don't need to tune in--they can join the real world.) Now Glenn Hannibaugh have to find a way to be angry with The Donald's brave new world.
That means they have to have an enemy to dedicate themselves against. Likely this enemy will be Donald Trump. Soon as he deviates from Glenn Hannibaugh orthodoxy they've got their raison d'être again, and he will deviate from Glenn Hannibaugh orthodoxy. (Possible they may continue to support The Donald if only to provide a rallying point to continue their attacks on Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and the rest of the Republican ‘establishment’. But, I'm betting on they turn on Trump within the first budget deal to clear Congress.)
The Tea Party has already weighed in on his choices for Chief of Staff, saying that Priebus would be a bad choice.
I think Trump will find it rather difficult to answer to people who have been his supporters.
I am thinking he will find the security for himself and his family also rather irritating. It will be like living in a glass prison.
I think every President since Kennedy was shot has chaffed at the glass prison aspect of it.
I'm listening to the Trumkins on the Sunday morning talking heads programs. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that their guy took in fewer votes than did Hillary Clinton. This does not bode well.
Lee: "I'm also fairly convinced that Glenn Hannibaugh supported Trump mostly because"
Isn't Glenn Beck part of your "Glenn Hannibaugh" construct? He didn't support Trump at all.
"He didn't support Trump at all."
I am aware of that. But, I didn't want to go to the bother of creating another portmanteau, especially as I expect Rush, Sean and the rest to be on Beck's side of the yellin’ match within six months.
Now, Laura Ingraham is likely to be a Trumpkin for life. (She'll even pretend to believe in the imaginary wall when the time comes to pretend on that subject.) She's another matter entirely.
And, just on account of the immigrant problem is your big deal… Paul Ryan was saying in public today that Trump has abandoned his promise to round up the illegal immigrants and deport same back to Mexico and such other points to the south as may be appropriate in any given case. (Link)
So, no fence, no ejecting the illegals, none of that stuff. (Glenn Hannibaugh will come around to agreeing with this one soon ‘nuff--it'll take more than this to corner them. Laura Ingraham will just pretend it's not really happenin’.)
Oh, yeah, and the other news for the day. Kellyanne Conway tells us that The Donald is somehow gonna ‘drain the swamp’ as he calls it, but also he's gonna keep all the alligators. Link
"…within six months."
Well, nine months. We got three months to go before Trump's actually in there, and Glenn Hannibaugh can use that time to keep pretending and to try to figure out how to pretend along another four years (another six months they'll have to give up on that notion).
And, let's be clear on this before Marcus comes back with the obvious challenge. Every politician welshes on his campaign promises. However, no American Presidential candidate in modern times (say…post Roosevelt--the first Roosevelt, and including him), no American Presidential candidate has lied so much about what he intended to deliver. Neither has any modern candidate run so openly against the system itself, much less won on the promise he was going to deliver…deliver…well, deliver something, if only to burn the damn thing down around us all.
Trump is somethin’ special in this regard. His voters are gonna expect to see, somethin’ other than that the ‘establishment’ is all freaked out. They expect him to somehow magically improve their lot, and if not improve their current lot, at least improve their prospects. Trump is going to wildly undeliver. And he's got no friends to fall back on when that happens. (He's in the same shit-shape in that regard as is FBI Director James Comey.)
About the only thing he can do is burn the damn thing down around us all. I worry ‘bout him havin’ those nuclear codes; I really do. It's not likely he'll go that far, but it's gonna be real bad if he does the unlikely, and with him ya never know fer shure.
"Running a business and running a country weren't the same."
True, the last ‘businessman’ we had running the country was Herbert Hoover. He had a Republican Congress (both houses) beginning in 1928. The crash came in 1929.
Watching Trump interview on 60 Minutes.
He says he's still going to build a wall, in places. Other places a fence will suffice. He's not going to take the presidential salary of $400,000. He will take $1. He, and his family who were with him for the interview, say the fears of the protesters are overblown. Now he's saying we have great generals, when asked about ISIS, yet he says they haven't done the job. He wants to keep parts of Obamacare.
Hmmm...he actually sounds sincere when he says he is doing this for the country. That he wants to make things better for the American people. Well, I guess we'll see.
He has chosen Preibus as his chief of staff, a Washington insider, but has chosen Bannon as his chief adviser. Maybe a concession to those Tea Party supporters?
The crash came in 1929.
Guess I'll have to look at stuffing some gold coins under my pillow.
"He has chosen Preibus as his chief of staff, a Washington insider,
but has chosen Bannon as his chief adviser. Maybe a concession to
those Tea Party supporters?"
Schizophrenia I think; nothing more. He's unable to decide which way he's going, not yet anyway.
I'm afraid I missed the 60 Minutes interview.
"He says he's still going to build a wall, in places. Other places a
fence will suffice."
We've already got a wall in some places and only a fence in some other places. (Some places with neither; that'll probably continue too.)
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"He will take $1."
Which still leaves me wondering how much Putin is paying him.
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"Hmmm...he actually sounds sincere…."
Con men usually do; it's a requirement for a successful con.
I found the video from CBS and watched the entire interview (Ivanka's boobs are implants).
He's still running his con. Very little of that was sincere. Some of it was prep work for the promises he's not going to keep, but mostly he's just still running his con, holding on ‘til he figures out what to do next.
Lt. Gen Michael Flynn (ret.), Trump's most public, and probably his most influential national security advisor, turns out to be a paid lobbyist for the Turkish government. (Politico.com) I suppose we can reasonably anticipate Trump saying all kinds of nice things about Erdoğan as the new administration moves into power.
"Hmmm...he actually sounds sincere…."
Con men usually do; it's a requirement for a successful con.
Yes.
Which still leaves me wondering how much Putin is paying him.
We'll have to see if any of Trump's businesses, which his kids are supposed to be running, end up expanding into Russia.
His prior campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had his name show up on a ledger belonging to a Ukrainian rebel warlord with entries for under-the-table cash payments. (Ledger got snagged by the Ukrainian government in a battle that didn't go the warlord's way.)
May be that Putin can pay cash to The Donald too.
It has occurred to me that, as there really isn't a problem with Mexicans sneaking across our southern border (more Mexicans are sneaking back the other way these days than are sneaking north), all Trump has to do is declare that he's ‘solved’ the Mexican border problem.
Since his people didn't notice that the problem didn't exist in the first place, there's a fairly good chance they'll not notice he didn't solve the nonexistent problem. He might even claim he got the Mexicans to pay for ‘it’. They might never notice.
By the way, there's a rumor afoot that Trump is trying to figure out how to continue to hold those large rallies even after he's inaugurated. (Trying to remember who that reminds me of. I know there's an historical precedent for that thing with the continued mass rallies, I just can't seem to remember who that was…)
(Trying to remember who that reminds me of. I know there's an historical precedent for that thing with the continued mass rallies, I just can't seem to remember who that was…)
Kind of like that huge Trump sign in New York after he won. That reminded me of someone too. Now if Trump grows a mustache it's going to be reeeeaaalllly scary...
Just listened to Paul Ryan suckin’ up to The Donald. All ‘bout how the Republicans are united and going forward and all that good stuff. I don't know ‘bout that, maybe, but then again, maybe they'll notice that they're about to blow right through the sequester they've been defending against Obama's domestic spending.
Gonna be interesting to watch when they try to reconcile Trump's promises with Ryan's budget agenda. Are they really gonna blow the deficits up beyond anything ever done before? Maybe they will. One thing's for sure, the futher tax cuts for the rich are still high on Ryan's agenda, and Trump is probably on board with those.
Clinton's lead in the popular vote has moved past 1 million votes, and California isn't all in yet. (It's generally estimated that Democrats have to about 5%-7% better than Republicans to pull even with them in Congress; now it's getting to where the Democrats have to pull a significant lead in Presidential votes as well; this is the second time in 16 years that the Republicans have pulled out the Presidency while getting fewer votes than their Democratic opponent.)
"Trump's 2016 total… is over 700,000 votes less than what McCain
drew in 2008 — and more than 1.7 million less than what Romney
drew four years ago."
Policy.mic
Russia is withdrawing from participation in the International Criminal Court. (Guardian) The Syrian rebels should take note. There is a strong possibility this may effect them.
Russia is withdrawing from participation in the International Criminal Court.
Why do I have this feeling that Russia has no worries about being opposed in its actions?
Gonna be interesting to watch when they try to reconcile Trump's promises with Ryan's budget agenda.
I have to say that some of this might be rather amusing, except that it is so serious and will have consequences down the road.
I talked to someone who voted enthusiastically for Trump recently. I told him I couldn't stand the man, and he said he couldn't stand Hillary, harking back to the Clinton Foundation apparently accepting donations from foreign governments. *sigh* I have to wonder if he even looked at The Donald and his entourage.
"I have to wonder if he even looked at The Donald and his entourage."
Trump didn't have 20 years of Democrats piling up anger against him, so it's quite possible he didn't bother. (Although, I must admit that your Trump enthusiast at least identified a real problem with Hillary--most of them identify one or more of the imaginary scandals.)
I mentioned before that Trump made a mistake putting Pence in charge of the transition. He can't blame Pence and then fire him. He may need to. (Pence fucks up first thing.)
Prediction for a Trump Presidency
I have to say that I have wondered about this myself. I also wondered if it wasn't why Micheal Moore thought that Donald Trump would not serve out his entire term. But I couldn't get beyond that sticking point that the Republicans hold both sides of Congress. However, he gets beyond that.
Yeah, there is that Pence waiting in the wings thing; I've thought of that. But, they'd have to get the Democrats to go along with them. It takes two thirds to convict on a Bill of Impeachment. The Democrats might want to run against President Trump in four years. So, it's risky to try that. (If you try to kill the king--make sure you kill the king.)
Word is that Newt Gingrich has declined to serve in a Donald Trump administration although he says he'd be happy to act as a freelance ‘advisor’ (with pay one suspects).
FoxNews is running the story that Donald Trump deserves a Noble Peace Prize. I shit you not!
And, in a closing note for the day (on Trump and Trumpkins anyway), it appears that The Donald was unaware that there federal ‘anti-nepotism’ statues that will bar his family from serving in his administration. (So, they likely don't need those top secret clearances he was trying to get for them.)
I'm sure we'll hear some Trumping ‘bout how unfair that is before too long.
It seems we are not the only ones who have a problem with Bannon.
"He has given a voice and power to that group of people," Beck told Anderson Cooper on "AC360." "You don't empower people like that. You just don't. It's not smart."
Glenn Beck is pretty hard on Trump and all things related to Trump. (He's convinced, correctly I think, that Trump is not a conservative; Trump is a true fascist--(no Marcus, not a Nazi; Nazis were derivative fascists).) Bannon is closer to the Nazi form of fascism than is Trump, but Trump's not bothered by it. Glenn Beck is.
On a related note, Politico.com is claiming that a whole bunch of Obama's fiercest critics on the Iranian agreement are now semi-terrified that Trump is stupid enough to pull out of that agreement. (Seems a lot of them were anti-Obama more than anti- on that nuclear limitation agreement. Now that Obama's not there to rag about it, they're afraid Trump doesn't know the difference between trying to drum up political resistance to Obama and actually going through with it. The first is a good thing from their perspective, the second… Not so much. Gonna be some of that happenin’ on the repeal of ObamaCare as well, but that's gonna come later.)
Ain't gonna be no wall; wall ain't gonna happen. (Sean Hannity's gonna have a problem explaining this away--he'll get it done, no doubt ‘bout that, but it may compromise his credibility with those among his listeners who actually thought Trump was gonna build a wall.)
Rep. Pete Sessions, a Republican who represents a district in suburban Dallas, said the wall could be thought of as “an analogy” for fences and drone surveillance. “We’re going to defend our sovereignty and our immigration policy.”
LOL!
Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who feuded with Trump during the campaign season, said he hadn’t followed developments about the wall but that he supports Trump’s plan to deport immigrants who have committed crimes.
Ummm...isn't that what we are already doing?
“If he deports those with criminal records,” Flake said, “he’ll get no argument from
Drat! That video disappeared again. *sigh* Oh well, it's obsolete anyway. Guess I'll have to think of a new post.
“If he deports those with criminal records,” Flake said, “he’ll get no argument from
That shouldn't be there. But I'm not going to redo that comment...
Obama's been setting a record pace on the deportation of criminal illegals. We're already there. So, yeah, you kinda get it there. What they're gonna be doing (at least what we know about from their claims made so far) is they're gonna be doing what Obama's already been doing. The difference is, they're gonna claim they fixed the problem by doing the same thing they said was a problem. (And Sean and Rush are gonna pretend for them, and their voters are gonna pretend to believe Sean and Rush.)
This sort of thing'll go along until they get that Supreme Court appointment done. That's gonna be a test.
Title: What Trump Voters Want Now―Politico.com.
Summary of essay: They want Trump to bring back jobs in the steel mills and the union auto plants and in the coal mines, especially in the mills and the mines. Unfortunately, ain't none of that gonna happen.
In the meantime, there's the Supreme Court nomination(s) to consider. If Trump goes right-wing on that, he'll get some slack from Glenn Hannibaugh, for a while anyway. (They've already collectively decided that the wall ain't happenin’ and they're okay with that.)
But, Trump's gotta win back the Middle American economic advantages of the high-school graduate white folks of the 1950s in order to keep their allegiance for another four years. (Or, so says this essay.) And that ain't gonna happen.
So yeah. Ya'll have come up with this so far: Trump is an agent paid for by Putin who will cozy up with Erdogan and he's emulating Hitler in speach and appearence. Plus he's a possible nuke-trigger-happy world destroyer.
AND he grabs women by the p*ssy - don't forget about that!
Are ya'll digging bomb shelters yet? Because from what you say you think you must certainly be at least planning for that.
Hysteria much?
I can't imagine how you, under such a grave theat could just sit there Lee and Lynnette. If Trump is who you say he is then there are but two options:
#1 Organise and join a militia to take back your country from the Fascist Dictator that now controls it by force.
#2 Flee! Flee for your lives before you're gunned down by fascist Trump deathsquads and buried in mass graves.
You KNOW that a Fascist Dictator will leave you only those two options. And if Trump is that - well then take your pick.
Nope. I think that right now I'm gonna take a nap. It's snowing here and I'm tired after doing all of my errands. :)
"Buy ‘em books and buy ‘em books and they just don't learn"
"…Trump is a true fascist--…no Marcus, not a Nazi; Nazis were
derivative fascists…"
No need to dig bomb shelters for the duration of Trump's tenure; Trump's gonna lie down for Putin if anything. And, I don't think he's gonna last past the first term, so there's no need to toss him. (Of course, my guess was that Clinton was gonna be a one term President as well. I never could figure out why she'd run in the current atmosphere, but I did think she'd win--if only because Trump is gonna be such a disaster and I figured more people would see it.) Truth is, a majority of Trump's voters admit to considering him unfit to hold the office they just voted him into. Trump was rage unleashed is all that was. We'll pay for it, but the republic will survive him. (I don't think the Republican Party will though.)
Post Script:
"Truth is, a majority of Trump's voters admit to considering him
unfit to hold the office they just voted him into."
But, he does pass muster with the right-wing Swede. Strange that; they must have lower standards in Sweden.
Come to think on it, if anybody's gonna be digging bomb shelters it'd be some of the Europeans. Trump's commitment to defending Europe from Putin's aggression is highly questionable at best. And Putin hasn't shown himself to be the kinda fella who'd let an opportunity like that get past him. (Surely Putin sees Trump as a one-termer too; means Putin should strike while he's got the free shot.) No, Marcus, I'm not enhancing my root cellar. How ‘bout you?
(Marcus is just bein’ pissy ‘cause it's finally sinkin’ in with him that Trump ain't gonna build no wall, and Marcus was lookin’ forward to that, if just for something to point to as an example and inspiration for when he finally gets around to arguing in favor of dropping Swedish Muslims into a cold North Sea at some distance from shore.)
Comment on Trump's interviews and selections for positions in his government:
"…there’s almost a sense here that Trump is enjoying having his
former opponents come before him and then not giving them what
they want.”
Politico.com
Mitt Romney might want to keep that in mind for their scheduled meeting in New Jersey.
Lee: "Clinton was gonna be a one term President as well. I never could figure out why she'd run in the current atmosphere"
I can answer that for you Lee. Real easy. She thought and still think she was entitled to it. That's all there's to that.
Lee: "gets around to arguing in favor of dropping Swedish Muslims into a cold North Sea at some distance from shore"
There are no Swedish muslims. Well maybe a convert or a few. Those we'll have to keep I guess. De-program them maybe. The rest, who are not swedes, just have to go home is all, no need to be cruel about it like you suggest.
"She thought and still think she was entitled to it."
You seem to have missed my point. The Republicans were almost certain to great her with the same ‘resist all things at all costs and at all times’ approach they settled upon for their dealings with Obama. She was looking at four years of more gridlock and probable ouster in four years for the sin of having not been able to crack the solid Republican wall of resistance. (She does not have Obama's personality to bolster her favorables in the light of years of not getting anything done.)
I don't see why she'd have deigned to suffer those indignities. I don't get why she'd want the job in today's Republican environment.
Trump has other and more fundamental flaws. He's promised what he cannot deliver, and he doesn't have much in the way of actual respect among his voters to bolster him when he massively underpreforms on his promises to bring back the 1950s. I don't think he's likely to get re-elected either once his voters have had their full fill of him. (Of course, that might depend somewhat on whether the Democrats nominate another deeply flawed candidate.)
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"There are no Swedish muslims."
That's about to change. Just how long must a person, even a Muslim person, maintain residency in Sweden before applying for Swedish citizenship? Five years at the outside, is it not?
Okay that typo needs to be fixed…
"The Republicans were almost certain to greet her with the same…"
and etc.………
*sigh*
So I'm trying to keep an open mind. I'm trying to give Trump a chance to prove to me that he is actually capable of holding the highest office in the land. I realize that it is a job that he is little qualified for, that he is new to public criticism on a massive scale, that he is not used to being talked back to. But sometimes his reactions just reinforce how ill suited he is to be president.
This:
1 hour ago - View on Twitter
The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!
This was in response to the cast of Hamilton passing on thoughts, that many Americans are having, to Mike Pence, who was in the theater watching the play. This was done at the end of the show and was given as a small speech by one of the actors in a very polite manner.
Sorry, Mr. Trump, you just took the low road again. Those people in the cast have just as much of a right to talk to their elected representatives as do the people who attended your rallies. I will give Mike Pence a lot of credit for waiting to hear them out. You, with that childish tweet, I give none.
Lee: "I don't see why she'd have deigned to suffer those indignities. I don't get why she'd want the job in today's Republican environment."
Again: she thought she was entitled to it. It was owed to her. People of that disposition don't stop and ponder reality or future problems or the makeup of congress..
That's probably the easiest question to answer in all of this. Hillary ran for Hillary and that was all there was to it. Even her campaign slogan read "I'm with her" as if "her" was the main point, which it was, to her.
Don't tell me you haven't seen that already Lee. You might be an idiot on topics sometimes but you're not not clever. Surely you can tell that Hillary would have run for Hillary no matter the odds, no matter the consequences and no matter whether it did America good or bad.
" This was done at the end of the show and was given as a small
speech by one of the actors in a very polite manner."
It was, in fact, a polite and respectful speech, in substance as well as in presentation. The actor had a chance to write down what he wanted to say, having seen Pence there during the show, so there is a written text. Excerpts were published on NBCNews.com this morning.
Lee: "....Swedish citizenship..."
Oh, you were talking about muslim citizens of Sweden. I thought you were talking about swedish muslims. You said so. You said "swedish muslims".
They are not the same you know. Much like I can never become a chinese myself, nor could you for that matter, an arab, muslim or non-muslim, can never become a swede. See how that works?
"Again: she thought she was entitled to it."
And again you just don't get it. When you get dense (which happens with some regularity) you always seem to think it's somebody else who's being the idiot. I am ‘entitled’ to several things I don't particularly want.
It made no sense to me that she should want the Presidency in today's political environment. The Republicans are a minority who're holding on to their political power by the power of gerrymandering, (with the Presidency now, as well as in the Congress) but they are a powerful and consequential minority, and the job was gonna be four years of grief. I never could figure out why she would still want it, given what the Republicans have become since she was last in the White House as First Lady (other than maybe she somehow thought that her insider political skills would allow her to get something important done--there was, of course, the importance of holding off Trump and his fascist friends, but anybody could have done that part--didn't require her taking four years of grief for that).
"They are not the same you know."
I'm pretty sure Swedish law says otherwise. (‘Swedish’ is not a recognized ethnicity. Nothing in particular distinguishes you from Norwegians or even Danes, or Germans or Dutch, or Icelanders, or even native northern Britons for that matter, and there's a lot of kinship with the French Normans I believe.)
So basically you're saying that the Democrats should have folded, just given up, let the Republicans just choose a President, because no sane Democrat candidate would even want the job. Or what is it you're trying to get at here?
One of your less thought through "sour grapes" arguments, this one. Back to the drawing board Lee. This dog just won't hunt.
Reckognized or not know a Swede when I see one, and a muslim from Mogadishu ain't one even if he speaks like us.
But this is runnig off on a tangent here. YOU said I wanted to drown such muslims in an icy North Sea. That'd be cruel and unnessesary.
I say it's quite enough and ultimately best for both parties if they just go home. There's no need to get more dramatic about it. Muslim arabs belong i arabia, muslim africans in muslim africa, and we semi-christian swedes get to keep our one and only homeland for us. Easy, no?
"Swedish Muslims"! Ya'll adopted them; they're yours now. That's how that works. I'm not gonna comment on the wisdom of ya'll having done that in the first place (beyond reminding folks that I've been consistently against taking in refugees here into the United States, and I remain so opposed.), but what's done is done.
"I say it's quite enough and ultimately best for both parties if they
just go home."
And I'm guessing they'll have a different opinion about what's best for themselves and their children.
"So basically you're saying that the Democrats should have folded,
just given up, let the Republicans just choose a President, because no
sane Democrat candidate would even want the job. Or what is it you're
trying to get at here?"
No, I'm saying Hillary was (is) 70 years old and already well respected, and didn't need the grief. I don't know why still wanted it. She left the Secretary of State's position with something like a 66% public approval rating among the American public (how soon they forgot what they used to think of her). I can understand why somebody still young and hungry for glory might want the job (and the Democrats had enough of those folks in addition to having been adopted by the Socialist Bernie Sanders.) I don't get why she thought she still had something to prove.
By the way; the Democrats still have enough to run filibusters in the Senate. And they're gonna. Kinda hard to figure why Jeb Bush came back for it--Rubio, Cruz, Christie, those guys I understand--still young and looking for glory. But Bush didn't need the grief either.
Lee: "what's done is done"
What's done can be undone too.
Lee: "And I'm guessing they'll have a different opinion about what's best for themselves and their children."
Basically yeah, because they like to leech off of our welfare system (that was built by the hard work of previous generations and NOT intended for arabs or africans). And they do have better economic opportunities here than at home.
Those are the only reasons they came here and stay here. It's not for the weather, it's not for any love or even slight likings for the swedes, it's all for money.
We can adress that in a variety of ways. Cut off subsidies, dismantle the wellfare state again, ramp up law enforcement seriously, etc.
Most would be going home again without any need for force. IF their home countries aren't wrecked by war that is. I see a point in giving temporary refuge to Syrians right now, but those are just 15% of the entire immigrant flood.
Anyway, much can be done and we won't need to resort to drowning people on the high seas as you fantasise we might.
Lee: "I'm saying Hillary was (is) 70 years old and already well respected, and didn't need the grief. I don't know why still wanted it."
And I've told you now twice just why. You ought to learn how to listen boy.
"And I've told you now twice just why. You ought to learn how to
listen boy."
You apparently didn't get my point even after I explained it to you. Perhaps some inability to absorb the difference between being ‘entitled’ to something and ‘wanting’ something. Perhaps your usually adequate grasp of English has failed you here. (Or, perhaps there's no corresponding words in Swedish and the concepts are beyond your ken--hard to tell from here which it is, but not worth going over again. Doesn't matter if you're still cluesless, at least, doesn't matter enough to keep me coming back to it when it seems to be rather over your head.)
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"What's done can be undone too."
Actually, there's some ‘International Law’ on that subject, and I believe you've also got to reckon with Brussels on that one, now that you've offered them citizenship and therefore legal status in the European Union. It ain't likely to get ‘undone’ ever.
"Anyway, much can be done…"
Yeah, much was done to keep the niggers in check too. It eventually lead to lynchings (some drownings, but Southern trees bear strange fruit, as the song goes…). We have some familiarity over here with people who urge two classes of citizenship (or even more than two) based on ethnicities. We know how it ends. One side's gotta lose.
No Lee this is not a case where my english skills betray me. I said Hillary thought she was entitled to the Presidency.
"Simple Definition of entitlement
: the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement
She thought that herself. And an army of sychofants cheered her on. YOU Lee cheered her on (although I will grant you you mainly did that in your #nevertrump capacity, you were never a true believer like so many others). Only now that she got TRUMPED are you looking for alternative storylines.
Hillary WANTED the Precidency. She had wanted it for a decade. No matter the outcome she wanted the throne. Largely for personal reasons. She saw herself in the history books as the first woman president. And she thought it was owed to her. For her own sake, not for your sake.
"Hillary WANTED the Precidency."
Ah, so you do get it. You were just pretending to be dense for the sake of keeping up your end of the argument. Obstinate sucker, you are.
That's the part I don't get. I don't get why she still wanted it. It wasn't gonna be what she'd originally hoped it'd be; I thought anybody, even she, could see that.
Lee: "We have some familiarity over here with people who urge two classes of citizenship (or even more than two) based on ethnicities. We know how it ends. One side's gotta lose."
The thing with muslims is it seems yes, you either have to beat them or they beat you. One side's gotta lose - as you put it. A zero sum game.
Now you might call me a racist bigot for saying so but I humbly state that I would like MY SIDE to be the winning side. And while my side is still on top right here at home I do see a trend where we'll lose if we do not change the trajectory. So changes have to be made.
I am in favour of peaceful, while harsh, changes now instead of war in the near future (25-50 years on). Can you really blame me for feeling that way?
"One side's gotta lose - as you put it. A zero sum game."
I was referring to a situation where people were trying to enforce a tiered class of citizenship--superior legal rights for some citizens as opposed to other citizens. Do not try to pretend I was endorsing your bigotry nor that I was agreeing that it was inevitable.
We have a rather better relationship with our Muslim citizens here in The States than you seem to be able to foster. It can be done. The fact that you don't want to do it doesn't change the fact that it can be done.
Lee:
"That's the part I don't get. I don't get why she still wanted it. It wasn't gonna be what she'd originally hoped it'd be; I thought anybody, even she, could see that."
We're runnig in circles here. Yes I understand your point in how the Reps would have destroyed here precidency and for that she, in the normal way of thinking, not want it.
I'll have to be even more blunt here: HILLARY DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHIG BUT HILLARY BECOMING PRESIDENT.
Get that?
The functioning of the country or any other thing was second or third. Hillary=President that was always the main agenda.
She was owed the precidency. She stood by her unfaithful man all those years ago just to cling on to power. She had been humiliated and scorned, but there was this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow: the precidency, and she never took her eyes off that. But in the end she got TRUMPED!
Or, to be more blunt about it… You are trudging doggedly and intentionally towards that ‘zero-sum game’ you mentioned. That's your choice; that's not inevitable; that's your choice.
Lee: "We have a rather better relationship with our Muslim citizens here in The States than you seem to be able to foster."
That's because you have fewer of 'em. They always tend to keep a low profile until they feel they have power. Thanks to the great Donald J Trump you might continue to be so lucky.
"HILLARY DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHIG BUT HILLARY BECOMING PRESIDENT.
"Get that?"
You're going long way ‘round ‘bout saying Hillary still ‘wanted’ it. Stubbornly stupid; stupid on purpose ya'are.
That doesn't get close to explaining why she still wanted it. Even she could see it was gonna be four years of grief, but she couldn't give up on wantin’ it. I don't get that part.
That's because we tend to spread them out rather than allow them to cluster up and remain clustered up. (Everybody groups, or tends to; there's ‘Chinatowns’ in several big cities.) But, we purposely break them up into small enough groups that they have to interact with the larger culture. Eventually they integrate--a necessary first step to assimilation. We've done it with many groups before. It'll work with Muslims too.
"Thanks to the great Donald J Trump you might continue to
be so lucky."
Even Hillary was talkin’ ‘bout bringing in only 65,000 Syrians (and only after extended ‘vetting’ and most of them family units). Among 320 million people, that's a token. I could live with that. Didn't particularly want it, but it was gonna be a token, not a problem. We could live with it.
" But in the end she got TRUMPED!"
She got Comey'd. Trump was losing ‘til FBI Director Comey threw him a lifeline.
And, just by the way, it doesn't appear that Trump is grateful enough to reward Comey. He appears to be ready to try to force Comey out as a way of making that problem go ‘way (or appear to go ‘way--out of sight, out of mind type of thing). Comey can't be fired though, and may resist Trump's efforts to pressure him out.
Lee, check this out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3944874/They-want-Islamised-despise-country-values-Translator-German-refugee-camp-says-Muslim-migrants-display-pure-hatred-Christians.html#ixzz4QGjEnyWy
You would not be best served by the 65K. Them 65K would to begin with swell to 250K on reunions alone. And more would come. More always come.
"Them 65K would to begin with swell to 250K on reunions alone."
Nope they'd have to compete with the Asians and the Hispanics for spots on the ‘reunions’ list. And they'd be way outnumbered.
"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news…" etc. rest of link
See, this is why ya don't take in refugees. Ya take in people who want a different life from what they find back home. We take people who want to come to America to be in America. Our Muslims will tell ya; they're freer to practice their own form of Islam here than they were at home where they had to pretend to follow either the government form of Islam, or the dominant local form of Islam(most of ‘em anyway).
Yes you are better at integrating immigrants for sure.
We don't actually need them. The "pension savers" argument is just a hoax. We don't need them at all. Robotics today do the tasks you needed slave/migrant labour for in the past.
I mean the powers that be are claiming "pizza and kebeb" as huge achivments. While any swede could just go to say Ankara and be like: "Oh they put meat on a stick and then carve from it - I could do that at home too". How hard is a kebab to replicate really?
There is NOTHING GOOD our so called multculturalism has brought us. And I for one WILL fight it. And I'm hardly alone.
2016 - MAGA!
2017 - MEGA!
"Yes you are better at integrating immigrants for sure."
It's not magic. It's replicable. Your choice to instead seek a ‘zero-sum’ solution is a choice.
I can tell you this right now. The Sweden Democrats got 12.9% in our last election. They're now polling at about 18%. In our next eletions in 2018 they're gonna get at least 25%, probably close to 30%, possibly over 30% even. They will become our largest political party. I know that already but most folks have no clue about it yet.
That's why I could also call Trump for President despite most odds.
We're n a new paradigm and folks like Lee and his beliefs are as dead as the diunosaus. You're spent. Get with the new program or get left behind.
@ Lynnette,
Jack Shaffer says Trump sent out that bizarre tweet to the Hamilton cast to take people's eyes off the fact that he just paid off on a $25 million fraud claim.
"That's why I could also call Trump for President despite most odds."
Fluke, it happens sometimes. Even Trump's internal numbers showed him losing. He was as surprised as anybody else. (Which is why he dumped Christie off of the transition team--he'd put Christie there on the assumption that it didn't matter. Soon as it did matter, Christie got the boot and family got the prize back.)
Get this Marcus. Trump won with fewer votes than John McCain got in his losing year 2000 bid. Trump won with fewer votes than Romney got with his 2012 loss. Bigger population; more voters; fewer votes, but he still won. Nobody could have reasonably predicted that would happen. You certainly did not.
And Trump lost the popular vote. But still eked out an electoral college win. That's fairly rare too. (But not so rare as to be totally unpredictable--happening more and more often these days, as a matter of fact) You didn't predict that either.
Fluke. Don't flog it like it means anything. It was just a fluke.
It occurs to me… You seem somewhat desperate for validation. Why is that?
CNN is running with the idea that there's a real chance that Mitt Romney would agree to serve as Trump's Secretary of State. They're talking up Romney's foreign policy chops. This is the same Romney who went to London and insulted the Brits on their Olympics presentation. His foreign policy chops may be rather more questionable than CNN is puttin’ on here.
Jack Shaffer says Trump sent out that bizarre tweet to the Hamilton cast to take people's eyes off the fact that he just paid off on a $25 million fraud claim.
Didn't work. I noticed that one too.
"Didn't work."
We'll have to see which one makes the evening news in about 15 minutes.
Well now, no evening news tonight, at least, not locally. College football on all three major channels. Guess we'll have to wait for the Sunday morning talking heads and maybe the Monday evening news.
"Robotics today do the tasks you needed slave/migrant labour for in the past."
Not picking fruit, or pickin’ most other produce. They have yet to develop a robot that is any good at distinguishing proper degrees of ripeness. Also, not shingling roofs, nor most other construction jobs. I don't think they're much good at cleaning house either, and, as for watchin’ the kids… I could go on.
Tomatoes, I think they harvest tomatoes mechanically now, but those cut the plant down at ground level and that's the end of that plant producing tomatoes for the season.
College football on all three major channels.
Yup, that's what's annoying about the weekend.
But I believe they have talked about it on CNN. At least I think that's where they interviewed one of the students, who basically said he felt embarrassed by having been taken.
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