Another movie has come along that I
feel might be of interest. If there is one thing that makes America
great it is the efforts of people to try to bring about the dream
that created the United States. No matter how large or small, it is
their combined efforts that have made a difference.
This is a movie from 2017, but I just
watched it the other night. It involves a case that Thurgood
Marshall was involved with early on in his career, before he became a
Supreme Court Justice. A hero can come in any shape or form. This
one used education and the law as his weapons of choice.
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And nowadays we get Justices selected by the Federalist Society and delivered to Trump on short list.
It's gonna take a long time for the Supreme Court to recover from its current politicization. (And that's assuming it'll recover.)
Trump has threatened the Iranians last week and then tried to solicit a request from them for a summit meeting so's he can get some photo-ops before the upcoming mid-term elections. Wed Aug 01, 05:06:00 am--prior thread
Well, it appears that we have their answer. They're starting naval maneuvers in the Persian Gulf and the Straits of Hormuz. CNN.COM Getting geared up to cut off the oil supplies from the Arab states which use that waterway to ship their oil, if necessary.
I am so, so, so happy for Neil Gorsuch to be admitted into SCOTUS and I hope with all my heart that Trump will get one or maybe two new sane judges into that sacred office before his inevitable 8 year term is up.
But really, Gorsuch was such a win in its own it almost completely validates Trump no matter what else he does. That he's doing GREAT in other areas as
well only speaks to the intense graeteness of the man himself. Hail Trump!
Great economy!
Lowest unemployment numbers in a long time!
Syria solved!
Great deal with Russia!
No stupid wars for Israel!
Fair trade deals!
North Korea stepping down!
Iran getting a shot at stepping down - let's see if they take the hand reached out to them.
It's all going swimmingly, despite local traitors, whiners and backstabbers, traitors in his own misds. Trump DELIVERS!
It's gonna take a long time for the Supreme Court to recover from its current politicization. (And that's assuming it'll recover.)
I suspect we won't see the likes of Thurgood Marshall for a long, long time.
Getting geared up to cut off the oil supplies from the Arab states which use that waterway to ship their oil, if necessary.
Well, of course, they are. Did anyone expect anything else? Anyone who thinks that is.
Trump DELIVERS!
Yes, but what does he actually deliver? That's the scary thing.
Lee "Getting geared up to cut off the oil supplies from the Arab states which use that waterway to ship their oil, if necessary."
Oh come off it. Get real. The Iranians could have cut off the Hourmouz strait at ANY time in history. They have never done so or attempted to do so. No reason whatsoever to think they would do it right now. They haven't even threathened it. It's just you imaganing the worst thinking possible guided by NYT or the Jerusamel Post that gets your head spinning. Your dumb little head atop them scrawny shouldres spinnin' like a top. Get real.
"Get real."
We don't need Arab oil anymore. We're a net exporter of oil (or so Trump says). You really think Trump's going to go to war to protect Europe's oil supplies?
The dissolution of Republican Party continues apace.
The Koch Brothers' political network, long a major source of funds and political ‛data’ for Republican candidates has formally broken with the Republican Party and has even threatened to support Democrats in the future. As a result, it's come under fire in a recent trumptweet.
Now it's also come under fire from the Republican National Committee, which has put out a formal warning to both donors and candidates to steer clear of the Koch Brothers' political network. Politico.com
Congressional Republicans' confidence that they can divert Trump from a threatened government shutdown before the mid-term elections may be misplaced.
""We're about to get really nasty over the wall."
So says Trump in his Pennsylvania campaign rally yesterday evening. ABCNews
We don't need Arab oil anymore.
Neither do they. They can get Russian oil.
Trump was just touting the opening of 7 new US steel plants...
So far we haven't had any announcements pertaining to that from the actual industry, but if Trump says it's so, then it must be so...unless, it's....FAKE NEWS.
The ‛new US steel plants’ I've heard of so far are re-openings of shuttered plants, small specialty steel plants mostly, which will be more profitable with the price support tariffs provide.
On the other hand, China announced another $60 billion in retaliatory tariffs apparently concentrated on agricultural products, but stretching beyond just those. Nothing in the morning tweets about that.
Lee: "We don't need Arab oil anymore. We're a net exporter of oil (or so Trump says). You really think Trump's going to go to war to protect Europe's oil supplies?"
Nope. And we don't need him to either. Our oil supplies are diversified by what comes in from the Gulf, what we get from Russia and what we have in our own backyard from Britain and Norway. Also West Coast Africa is a pretty big contributor. Culd prolly buy from Venezuela too in a pinch.
How would any of them "threaten" Europe unless them all got together to do so (which they won't ever do)? And against every one but one (Russia) Europe could easily bomb the hell outta them in response for that matter. Agains Rssia we'd comletely kill their econnomy instaed.
YOU think Europe needs America for oil? Oh, the LULZ.
We do as the Trump baby, we make DEALS.
Them scrawny shouldres of yours must be starting to smoldre soon at the rate your little head on top of them keeps spinnin'.
"Europe could easily bomb the hell outta them…"
You're almost certainly overestimating Europe's offensive air capabilities. They ran out of ammo going up against Khadafi's Libya.
Meanwhile, the Iranians purchased Russia's newest air defense system in 2016. It's up and operational now.
Lee: "You're almost certainly overestimating Europe's offensive air capabilities. They ran out of ammo going up against Khadafi's Libya."
More likely gave a token performance to Hillary's war on Khadaffi, and they just handed it off to yall. Hillary had some insane wish to kill that one man, Khadaffi, and being the bloodthirsty ghoul that she is she managed to get it done. It ended up a right fucking disaster of course but Hillary got her gallon of blood down her fucking throat, the fucking vampire shrew.
Lee: "Meanwhile, the Iranians purchased Russia's newest air defense system in 2016. It's up and operational now."
Iran is not a vital source of oil to Europe anywho. In fact we could just withdraw some sanctions on them and get MORE oil from 'em easily. They want to make a DEAL. Trump wants us to make a DEAL. We want to make a DEAL.
It's just YOU and Jerusalem Post and NYT who DON'T want a deal made. Ya'll rather have war. Well fuck ya'll, we're in Trumpland now bitches!
"Iran is not a vital source of oil to Europe anywho."
We were talking about the Iranians blocking the Gulf of Hormuz and preventing Arab oil from making it to market. You seem to have run off on a tangent here (not to mention your anti-Hillary fantasy attack).
And I think they were running low on jet fuel against Libya as well…. I seem to recall that being the case.
I can see where Iran would love to have an excuse to blockade the Strait, putting a monkey wrench into KSA's oil shipments. I could see where it would benefit Putin and his oligarch friends, sending more costumers their way. It's just that nasty US Navy that keeps getting in the way...
Trump's having himself a little pro-tariff ref=twitterburst this afternoon. Tryin’ to shore up the troops I think.
I have this horrible feeling sometimes that I am being dragged kicking and screaming into this Brave New World we are creating with our connectivity. *deep sigh* Even phones aren't simple anymore.
Speaking of which, I watched Ready Player One last night. It wasn't as good as the book.
Soooo apparently Paul Manafort was having his tax preparer reclassifying income as a loan, to the tune of $900,000.00. My isn't that special...and rather illegal.
Lynnette: "I can see where Iran would love to have an excuse to blockade the Strait, putting a monkey wrench into KSA's oil shipments."
They could have done so, but have never done so. And they would shut off their own oil shipments too so I'm not so sure about your analysis.
Lynnette: "I could see where it would benefit Putin and his oligarch friends, sending more costumers their way."
Are you operating under the assumption that Iran will readily shoot itself in the foot for no damn reason other than to benefit Putin and his allies? Strange thinking.
Lynnette: "It's just that nasty US Navy that keeps getting in the way..."'
Nope. The Iranians could shut the strait down regardless of the US navy if they so wanted. Although granted, the counter strike FROM the US navy would prolly reduce Teheran to a smoldering ruin, so you have a point there.
They could have done so, but have never done so.
No real motive in the past and there would have been a very strong objection from the US.
And they would shut off their own oil shipments too so I'm not so sure about your analysis.
Don't be silly, if they were the one's setting up a blockade they are the one's who will say who goes through and who doesn't.
Although granted, the counter strike FROM the US navy would prolly reduce Teheran to a smoldering ruin, so you have a point there.
Realistically speaking, unlike Lee, I do think a strong reaction from the US would still be a possibility under Trump. Maybe not the extreme reaction you describe, but a reaction none the less.
"…if they were the one's setting up a blockade they are the
one's who will say…"
I wouldn't expect them to try to cut off Arab oil until and unless the United States is successful in freezing them out of the market via the secondary sanctions Trump is threatening against any European companies who do business with Iran (including banks).
Today's Trump twitterburst is again ragging on the media, especially about any publicity for the Mueller investigation (which appears to be bothering him no end) and trying to shore up his troops on the tariffs (which ain't goin’ over as well with the dedicated Trumpkins as he might have hoped).
Lynnette:
"Don't be silly, if they were the one's setting up a blockade they are the one's who will say who goes through and who doesn't."
Who's being silly? You think that action would be like Iran setting up a fucking customs booth? Arab oil no - persian oil yes, kinda thing? How long would that last ya think?
No it involves sinking ships in that narrow lane, mining it to hell and making sure not anything gets past, or at least that no one dares try to get past. That would obviosly include their own shipments as well.
You think the Iranians might just sail in there and be like "we keep these lanes open but now WE decide who gets through, haha!"
And you call me silly. Oh the irony.
"How long would that last ya think?"
Until somebody with the ability to project contrary power into the Persian Gulf decided to make the effort. If that's not going to be the United States, then who?
Might mention that Trump admitted this morning that his son, Trump Jr., and his stepson, Jared Kuchner, attempted to collude with the Russians in early June of 2016. The admission was made in writing. trumptweets
This will not damage Trump's standing among the dedicated Trumpkins, Catholic Pedophiles, or facist Swedes. But, it's liable to damage him with independent American voters as the import of that admission sinks in.
Lee: "Until somebody with the ability to project contrary power into the Persian Gulf decided to make the effort. If that's not going to be the United States, then who?"
Obviously the USA. I doubt anyone else would have the ability (perhaps in theory a grand coalition could do it without the US but no such one is really feasible). And I'm also sure the US would do it. And if the Iranians started armed hostilities by shutting down the strait they should do it too, and anyone who could help should do so.
My point is that the Iranians COULD shut off the strait at their choosing. But they would gain nothing and stand to lose much. They would immediately lose their own oil exports as well as their Gulf neighbors would lose theirs. And then, as you say, there would be retaliation led by the US but also supported by just about everyone that matters.
So shuttig off the strait is not an offensive move for them. It's stricktly a retaliatory move if they themselves get attacked. And we know that you've had folks on the highest positions in the US, Cheney for instance, advocating such an attack. Quite possibly only the quagmire in Iraq prevented it from actually being set into motion, but that's speculation.
But IF Iran was to be attacked they will for sure retaliate that way, amongst other assymetric ways, as they can never hope to win outright. That's called deterrence, and for deterrence to work the threat to retaliate has to be credible, so they most certainly would do it at such a time. It's in their doctrine you could say. Also if theat move was retaliatory as a response to a unilateral and unsanctioned (and I don't see the UN sanctioning an attack on Iran soon) attack on Iran, the condemnations against Irans retaliation wouldn't be at all the same as if they did it offensively.
(So the day it happens it'll prolly start with a false flag in that strait making Iran out as the first aggressor, but that's a whole other discussion)
And with about 25 smallish submarines, Land to sea missiles, swarms of small attackboats, submerged mines and whatnot they would for sure be able to shut down the strait. The US would have to, and would, invade the stretch of land that forms up the Iranian coastline to the strait. But that would be costly, dangerous and would mean casualties. And all the while the bulk of oil from the most oilrich region in the world would be cut off, killing the international economy. So the deterrence is real.
As for your afore mentioned "risk assessment" for Europe should Iran close the strait it's actually not that big a deal for supply (the prices would skyrocket though, for everyone, not just Europe):
https://www.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.energyfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/EU-oil-importers.gif&imgrefurl=http://energyfuse.org/europes-oil-import-dilemma/&h=284&w=530&tbnid=wbqDZaBlDRzupM:&q=oil+imports+to+europe&tbnh=112&tbnw=210&usg=AFrqEzeXKdJM2y0McWcuguYg-QZ870sZKQ&vet=12ahUKEwiUkPmy0tjcAhWGYJoKHQkoA1AQ9QEwAHoECAYQBg..i&docid=D_l_R7YsNwLwkM&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUkPmy0tjcAhWGYJoKHQkoA1AQ9QEwAHoECAYQBg
So, about a 20% drop off. We can easily handle at least half of that by buing more from other regions. The rest, we'll in times of global strife one tightens his belt is all.
China would be in a serious pinch though. You should direct your line of thinking towards China. They have a serious weakness when it comes to energy dependency. Europe has it too, but mostly with regards to Russia and not to the same degree as China. Ya'll are the most blessed with domestic energy security, I know that and never said anything else.
Lee: "This will not damage Trump's standing among the dedicated Trumpkins, Catholic Pedophiles, or facist Swedes."
Trumpkins are dedicated - sure. I am not a fascist really but I can still kinda see where your coming from there so no offence taken (and IDGAF anywho). But "Catholic Pedophile", which I can only assume is slander against Pete, is really too fucking much and you should backtrack and offer an apology, IMO.
Your opinion is noted and rejected as previously explained at Lee C. @ Sat Jul 21, 12:07:00 am (second page of comments there)
"They would immediately lose their own oil exports
as well as their Gulf neighbors would lose theirs."
One more time, for those who neglect to see any opinion which is not their own…
"I wouldn't expect them to try to cut off Arab oil until
and unless the United States is successful in freezing
them out of the market via the secondary sanctions
Trump is threatening against any European companies
who do business with Iran (including banks)."
Lee C. @ Sun Aug 05, 09:43:00 am ↑↑
Lee: "Your opinion is noted and rejected as previously explained at Lee C. @ Sat Jul 21, 12:07:00 am (second page of comments there)"
Alright, I never read that exchange when it took place. I can see how you'd pick a derogatory epiteth in response to that, why not - I would too? I might feel the one you picked was a bit too derogatory but still, I get your reasoning. So OK, I withdraw my claim that you should be apologising for any of that. Fair is fair.
You're still an obnoxious dumbfuck, mind you, but once in a blue moon you do actually have a point.
I notice that Rick Gates is testifying today in the trial of Paul Manafort. That reminds me of something seldom mentioned in the media.
It is quite possible that Rick Gates is the corroborating witness to Michael Cohen that Trump was advised of and approved in advance the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians. (Or, one could put it the other way ‛round, Cohen would be the corroboration for Rick Gates' testimony to the same effect.)
There's a special election for a seat in the House of Reprentatives scheduled for tomorrow. It's in the 12th congressional district of Ohio and features a fairly middle-of-the-road type Democrat against a formerly ‛establishment’ Republican who's drifted into Trumpkin territory far enough to be endorsed by The Great Orange Leader himself. In fact, Trump and Pence have both been Ohio to campaign for their guy; Trump Jr. has weighed in for their guy, and Paul Ryan as well. And the Republican national organization has poured in millions of dollars in backing. This seat has been held by Republicans uninterrupted for 36 years. And, it's now at risk of switching to the Democrats.
(Republican is named Troy Balderson; the Democrat is named Danny O'Connor.)
There's no way a Democrat should be within striking distance in this district--it's classic Republican territory. But the Democrat is nipping on the Republican's heels all the way. And the Republican candidate here isn't a known pedophile, or an open Nazi, or any of the other things that have recently dogged some Republican nominees; he's a fairly normal ‛establishment’ Republican who's just recently gone over to the Trumpkin side.
Should this district go for the Democrat tomorrow, then a lot of Republicans in the House are gonna get very frightened very suddenly.
Keep your eyes on the 12 district of Ohio tomorrow. It's a fairly big deal that's gotten lost in the noise Trump generates with his twitterbursts.
No it involves sinking ships in that narrow lane, mining it to hell and making sure not anything gets past, or at least that no one dares try to get past.
Aren't those tactics more in keeping with WWII? Wouldn't some nice drones and military patrol boats work just as well? Any violence against an oil tanker would make anyone think twice about attempting to sail through the Strait. Of course, it would provoke a confrontation with any other military in the region who might step in to run the blockade.
Might mention that Trump admitted this morning that his son, Trump Jr., and his stepson, Jared Kuchner, attempted to collude with the Russians in early June of 2016. The admission was made in writing. trumptweets
Which has resulted in his advisers telling him to STOP tweeting.
Like that's going to happen...
Keep your eyes on the 12 district of Ohio tomorrow. It's a fairly big deal that's gotten lost in the noise Trump generates with his twitterbursts.
They were talking a little about this on Fareed Zakaria's show, I believe. They went pretty strongly for Trump in the last election. If Balderosn doesn't win it will be a rather nasty shock.
I notice that Rick Gates is testifying today in the trial of Paul Manafort.
And he's hanging Manafort out to dry.
"And he's hanging Manafort out to dry."
Word is that the only defense theory that Manafort's lawyers could come up with was to attack Rick Gates, dirty him up, blame him for Manafort's financial arrangements. Supposedly they're gonna go after Gates big time.
It's a safe bet that Trump's legal team will be paying real close attention to whether or not Gates wilts under cross-examination.
The full boat of secondary sanctions (sanctions against European companies which do business with Iran) kicked in last night. The trade war ratchets up yet again.
"The full boat of secondary sanctions…"
Correction: Not full boat, just partial sanctions. They're set to restart in two batches and this is just the first batch.
Lee: "And the Republican candidate here isn't a known pedophile"
You sure like to toss the pedo charge around don't you. I'm guessing here you refer to Judge Moore. That whole deal was seriously mishandled by More and his advisors, when he started apologising and backtracking.
He should've just said: "OK so the 14yo is bogus, I never went for anyone that young, that never happened. I did however fish for 17-18 YOlds cause Im a Christian and back then any Christian wanted a virgin wife, and so did I".
People would have got that. They would still be if/or/whatif about the 14yo but the rest of it would have been OK. He coulda won, but he took the wrong approach.
I see they gave Alex Jones the total shutdown treatment yesterday. Infowars is shut off off Facebook, Apples tubes and Google too (Youtube). In a single day. They all came crashing down and deplatformed Alex Jones.
He is not allowed to speak and people are not allowed to listen to what he say, says a body of private monopoly coorporations in coherence.
How does that vibe with ya'lls Freedom of Speach constitutional amendment?
And, even if you don't like Alex Jones, this sets a precedent. Are you OK with that, really?
I think ya'll need to use them anti-trust laws ya'll ones used against major industries against these new and even more powerful industries. Google is like 10X more powerful than was ever Standard Oil. Break that motherfucker up into pieces or at the very least regulate the beast!
"How does that vibe with ya'lls Freedom of Speach constitutional
amendment?
The 1st Amendment reads:
"Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech…"
It clearly doesn't apply to Facebook, or Google, or Apple.
Ohio is very, very close. It shouldn't be, but it is.
Geez, this thing keeps flipping back and forth. With 91% in now O'Connor is leading by 201 votes. Balderson had just been up by a thousand.
It's mostly Delaware County that's still counting. That's a Republican area, been going for the Republican about 5% so far tonight. NYT
So I'd have to say it's lookin' like an edge up for Balderson just about now.
Balderson's back on top by 741 votes.
Looks like they're holding off on calling it for the Republicans on account of needing to count the provisional ballots. I'd expect a Republican win in the end anyway, maybe by low enough to force an automatic recount, and then they get to do it all over again in about 90 days when the general elections come up in November.
I figure Trump dodged a bullet yet again there in Ohio's 12th District. He swung in and campaigned for the Republican and it looks like it might have been enough to prevent a Democratic win. (That's how he'll play it anyway.) If the Democrat had pulled it out, given Trump's endorsement and campaign help, and given that this was a very Republican district, it would have looked real bad on Trump there. But, he's avoided that.
Okay, last night's vote is in and the results are still somewhat up-in-the-air (not only in Ohio, but the Republican primary for Governor of Kansas is still up in the air too--a committed Trumpkin Republican is on the edge of upending the current Republican governor in the primary; still too close to call.)
So, here's what's coming for the general election. The blue wave is real. The Democrats are going to take over the House of Representatives. They may take the Senate as well, although the odds aren't real good for them on that, but they might. So, let's consider that possibility:
If the Democrats do take the Senate, all hell's gonna break loose in what's left of the Republican Party. The ‛establishment’ Republicans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that Trumpkins are winning the Republican primaries, but they can't win the general elections. The Republican Party is officially dysfunctional even as a campaign organization, never mind their proven inability to actually govern.
That means that a lot of Republicans (outside of West Virginia and Alabama and Utah and a few other enclaves) are going to have to either fight to take their party back (gonna be hard to do what with FoxNews and Radio-Right-Wing dominating the conservative air-waves), or they're gonna havta bolt and either go independent, go Democrat, organize a new conservative party, or find a job that doesn't entail winning elections.
If the Democrats take the Senate back too, then the Republican Party is gonna come apart at the seams between now and election day in 2019.
Lee: "It [1st amendment] clearly doesn't apply to Facebook, or Google, or Apple."
I'd (and many with me) argue that it does. These companies have so much of a monopoly status that "free speach" is not for all at all if some are de-platformed from these companies.
The First Amendment surely van't have been meant only for folks speaking on streetcorners, it must, in the Internet age, also apply on the Internet, no?
Otherwise would be like saying the second amendment allows you to have muzzle loaded muskets, but no modern handguns.
Here's a piece from Nigel Farage on that:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/07/nigel-farage-if-twitter-wants-to-target-conservative-speech-then-treat-it-like-biased-publisher-it-is.html
I think the government is gonna have to step in and make laws on this, based on the constitution and the right to free speach.
And frankly, Lee, I find it surprising that YOU should be against such a development. Are you so afraid of other peple's speech you want it banned?
"I'd (and many with me) argue that it does."
That doesn't change anything. I gave you an actual quote. It says what it says, and not what you'd argue.
"I find it surprising that YOU should be against such a development."
I didn't offer an opinion, neither for nor against. I'm not much inclined to allow you to offer my opinion for me and pretend to bind me to your offer.
Lee:
"The blue wave is real."
No it's not. The red wall more likely is.
Lee: "The Democrats are going to take over the House of Representatives."
No they won't. Red wall to stop that.
Lee: "They may take the Senate as well, although the odds aren't real good for them on that, but they might."
Nope, no way!
Lee: "So, let's consider that possibility: If the Democrats do take the Senate, all hell's gonna break loose in what's left of the Republican Party. The ‛establishment’ Republicans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that Trumpkins are winning the Republican primaries, but they can't win the general elections."
Let's consider the possibility that the Democratic party has NO leadership and is driven by fringe leftist lunatics and will soon be the party of trannies, insane cat-ladies and brown immigrants entirely, along with blacks expecting gibsmedats.
You run on that and Trump-2020 is more or less a given.
So, let's consider next a more minimalist ‛blue wave’. Figure what happens then?
Well, one thing that will happen is the Republican committee chairmen who've been protecting Trump from congressional oversight whilst pretending to ‛investigate’ the Russian connections will lose power. The committees of the House will be given to Democratic chairmen and Democratic majorities, and I suspect we will begin to see actual public hearings, and probably will see several prior witnessess re-called for testimony before a more hostile crowd of questioners, and in front of the cameras.
That's likely to not turn out well for Trump.
I foresee instead a Red Wall cockblocking all them Dems and then a second investigation by Jeff Sessions into the ludicrous conspiracy to hoax a conspiracy aimed at POTUS and thereby amounting to TREASON. Heads are gonna fall, just not on the side you think they will Lee.
By the way, you should realize that Jones and his InfoWars cite are still up on the internet don't you?
Nobody kicked him off the internet. His folks can still add his site to their own lists news sources if they so choose.
There is, by the way, a reasonable possibility that Julian Assange will get booted out of the Ecuadorian embassy in London before too long. If that happens he might just end up dragged before a Democratically lead congressional investigating committee and asked some interesting questions in public and under oath.
I foresee instead a Red Wall cockblocking all them Dems and then a second investigation by Jeff Sessions into the ludicrous conspiracy to hoax a conspiracy aimed at POTUS and thereby amounting to TREASON. Heads are gonna fall, just not on the side you think they will Lee.
The Republicans have control now. So far I'm not seeing any kind of investigation. If they don't or can't do it now what makes you think it would come to pass after the next election?
Lynnette: "The Republicans have control now. So far I'm not seeing any kind of investigation. If they don't or can't do it now what makes you think it would come to pass after the next election?"
The "Republicans" are not really all in all pro Trump, many are in fact very anti Trump. If you don't believe me you can just ask Lee, who clearly differrentiate between the GOP and the "Trumpists".
But WHEN the Trumpists rule the GOP and when they outnumber "Democrats" in Congress and in the Senate, we'll see things done. Questions will be asked, courts will be held and a whole lotta folks who precviously thought they were immune to justice will sit on the docks, eagerly defaming one another to save themselves no doubt.
"The 'Republicans' are not really all in all pro Trump…"
Many, perhaps even most, Republican politicians are not really pro Trump. However, Trump has a lock on the Republican voter ‛base’, and solid job approval numbers among the Republican voters in general, approaching 90%, even for those who don't approve of him personally.
The Republican ‛establishment’ is now discovering that this is the price they must now pay for having farmed out their messaging to FoxNews and Radio-Right-Wing for so many years. They've got a voter base who expects them to make the faerie tales come true, and it ain't gonna end well for them. But, they brought it on themselves.
The price Trump is paying is that he's got very good job approval numbers among a smaller set of Republicans. The party is shrinking in size even as the remaining core get's more and more pro-Trump. And that ain't gonna work out well for him. But, he brought that on himself.
So be it.
Lee:
"There is, by the way, a reasonable possibility that Julian Assange will get booted out of the Ecuadorian embassy in London before too long. If that happens he might just end up dragged before a Democratically lead congressional investigating committee and asked some interesting questions in public and under oath."
Assange is in that embassy because he did the extremely foolish thing and fucked two swedish feminist cunts. Each of these cunts, especially Anna Ardin, BRAGGED online, after fucking him, about fucking the great leftist Assange.
But once it got out he had not ONLY fucked Ardin but her feminist friend as well they both cried rape. And Assange knowing that Sweden is a total bitch of the USA and would hand him over to the US for "terrorism" charges he fled first to the UK and then into the Equadorian embassy.
The alleged crime is that he went into volontary sex but removed the condom mid couitus. So that's rape then. Allegedly. If that even happened.
Also the so called "raped" woman bragged online about treating Assange to a crayfish party AFTER she was allegedly "raped". It was only after she found out he fucked her friend as well she got miffed and cried rape.
That whole fucking story is a testiment to how western law is no longer a law to be reckoned with.
A dude goes to a party, has sex with eager and willing roadies and then they accuse him of rape and all the worlds Intel-services hold him that "crime" only to render him too another nation for thought crimes there. To be tortured with sleep deprivation and solitary confinement forever.
Fuck! I'm so sick of this fucking shit. And most of all the moronic humanoid slugs who go along with this shit. Fuck ya'll. FUCK!!!
Don't be silly. Even Assange knew better than to think that Britain would shield him from extradition on terrorism charges in the United States. He fled to Britain to get ahead of Swedish law, and didn't look far enough ahead is all that happened.
Post Script:
Trump turned himself from a New York liberal into the right-winger champion by listening to hours and hours, literally thousands of hours, of FoxNews and Radio-Right-Wing, which is how he knows just what Glenn Hannibaugh taught the Republican ‛base’ to desire most. He's got that patter down pat now.
Great, but next time around it's gonnna be Donald or lefty lunatics:
https://youtu.be/jpyKuzoFW40?t=400
I told you so. Dems are 'bout Trannies, infinity brown immigration, infinity Gibs to blacks all paid for by the white middle class.
That's what Dems gotto offer.
But WHEN the Trumpists rule the GOP and when they outnumber "Democrats" in Congress and in the Senate, we'll see things done. Questions will be asked, courts will be held and a whole lotta folks who precviously thought they were immune to justice will sit on the docks, eagerly defaming one another to save themselves no doubt.
That sounds a bit like what is happening now, only it is the Democrats and the American people that are asking for answers and hoping to bring justice back.
Looking down the thread above and noticing how often Marcus carps on his hope of a socialist swing taking over the Democratic Party…
I don't think it's gonna happen. The socialist fringe has managed to nominate exactly one (1) candidate this cycle, a New York City denizen by name of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Bernie Sanders remains an independent, not a Democrat at all).
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez will probably win her general election (that District leans strongly Democratic). However, she and Bernie Sanders have been noticably stumping for other socialist and left-leaning candidates, to no avail. So far, her primary win was the only win for the socialist fringe.
Nah, more likely those Republicans repulsed by Trump and his Trumpkins will wind up joining the Democratic Party in sufficient numbers to drag it back a little further to the right, pissing off the far left wing of the Democratic Party in the process, and maybe encouraging them to abandon the Democratic Party entirely and to try to re-vitalize a true socialist party in America.
We have tipped too far to the right with our current administration. But I don't think that most people would want to tilt too far left as a correction. I think you may be right about the refugees from the Republican Party jumping over to the Democratic Party. If only because they are angry enough about Trump to want to do their best to remove him and his followers. An established party would be the only chance to do that. A Democratic platform that is too far left would be a turnoff for them.
Or at least that's my hope.
We are seeing some farmers already losing patience with the results of the Trump Tariffs. Although, they are not all ready to throw in the Trump towel, there have been some rather hard hitting ads against the administration's policy.
I notice that this morning's TrumpTweets lean heavily on Trump's continuing failure to get the NFL to buckle under to his demands.
"However, she and Bernie Sanders have been noticably stumping for other socialist and left-leaning candidates, to no avail. So far, her primary win was the only win for the socialist fringe."
So who do the Democrat Party hope to show against Trump in 2020? Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of Hillary Clinton and Webster Hubbell? Might she be the one?
Surely Hilldawg herself is too old and frail for such a tryout. But mebby her out of wedlock daughter? Who knows? Right?
You can't take Pocahontas for real and Pelosi is nowhere near well ´nuff liked plus she's a bit long in the tooth really. Schumer is a back end power broker not fit for POTUS scrutiny. Sanders's a commie so a no go (would be lulzy though). So who do you have? Anyone of note?
And what are the Dems gonna run on? Infinity brown immigration, Trannies and severe hatred for anything related to Russia? Doesn't seem like a coherent and attractive platform IMO. What is the Democrat plan for America, and how do they sell that plan? I just can't see it (while the country is still predominantly white).
Prolly the best way to go is another magic male negro with a good catch phrase - like, you know, that Obama feller who sat there for 8 years. Might could get another one of those in there, IDK.
Doubt it though. Think Trump's in place until 2024.
Lynnette:
"We have tipped too far to the right with our current administration."
What is it really you object to? What is "too far right"? Is it that ILLEGAL immigrants are actually treated according to LAW?
Do you cry your eyes out every night at them teared apart families? Well guess what, ANY criminal faces that, in just about any country. A thief or a murderer can't get outta jail cause it's so, so sad that he has children on the outside. And no the children will no go with him inside prison either. So - teared apart family. That's what happens to CRIMINALS.
Why in the greatest fucking fuck should it be more lenient and suddenly different of the criminal is one who illegaly entered the country of the United States?
It was ILLEGAL, it was against the law. They have to be locked up for it and their kids cannot, under US law, be locked up with them. Easy as that.
Do not cross the border ILLEGALY and no one will take your kids from you. Pretty simple.
If not on that issue, tell me where and how the USA went "too far to the right". Give specifics, please.
"So who do the Democrat Party hope to show against
Trump in 2020?"
It's highly unusual for the Democrats to decide, more than two years out, who's gonna have a shot at the nomination. You've probably been spoiled by the Hillary phenomenon. She had it pretty much locked up four years out, but that's a highly unusual occurrence.
So we caught Bin Laden alive and sentenced him to death but then we found out he had children, and we couldn't very well kill the kids as well, we couldn't incarcerate them together either and since it's SOOOO SAAAD to rip famils apart we simply had to let Bin Laden go, for the sake of the children. BC "We Do Not Tear Families Apart!!!!" Right, Lynnette?
Listen, little girl, you have the LAW or you don't have it. Can't have the LAW and then skip it every now and then because your "feels" sometimes get hurt.
"OH, look at those sad, sad eyes of the daughter to that rapist MS13 member, of course they should all stay, all 25 of them! Cause feelz!!!"
Lee: "It's highly unusual for the Democrats to decide, more than two years out, who's gonna have a shot at the nomination. You've probably been spoiled by the Hillary phenomenon. She had it pretty much locked up four years out, but that's a highly unusual occurrence."
OK, so you'e saying they've might got a dark horse who will show his/her face only later. I still ask, what platform is a Dem supposed to run on?
And for that matter I think a white male is outta the picture all together. It's gotta be a woman or some coloured lad. If not Bernie, Bernie might rally just enough to get past the primaries.
But. apart from a Bernie Commie platform, and just everyday anti-Trumpism what do they plan on running on? I can't see it. I can't envision a coherent platform on their part.
I'd guess the platform would concentrate on really making America great again, i.e. undoing the damage done by four years of Trump.
Let's see:
We're gonna allow unlimited immigration and dismantle ICE. BC Feelz.
We're gonna enter into worldwide trade deals that tax our products going out but impose no tarrifs on goods coming in.
We're gonna ramp up hostilities as far as we can with Russia, the only power that could really compete with us in a war - BC Putin is mean to trannies or whatever.
We're gonna raise taxes on the middle classes and give unlimited gibs to the non working meanwhile letting the richest 1% suffer virtually no taxes at all, and then they can "give back" with political contributions and feelgood "philantropy" as they see fit.
Also we're gonna add diversity by firing or passing over white, straight men to fill our institutions with the coloured and the gender-surprised.
I mean that's more or less the Dem's whole political program right there. But, in the age of Trump, how do expect they will be successful selling it?
I know a 74 yo excavator operator here in Sweden (used to work for my father). He calls our PM Stefan Löfvén the "four shithouses man". I laughed and asked why and he said:
"Well nowadays you have to have one shithouse for men, and one for women, just as it always was. But with Löfvén you need a third shithouse for the ones who are not really sure if they are a man or a woman, and then you need a fourth for the ones that are REALLY unsure".
The hard working men and women who actually built our prosperity are sick to their guts when faced with this sickening identity-politics we are now swamped with. And the now dead generation that came before them are spinning like kebab-spits in their graves when they see their decendents handing over their legacy to sodomites and moslems and blue haired shrews.
Perhaps the analogy is apt. Kebabs originated in the Middle East.
I know that dumbass, they're spinning, that was the point. From Persia really, the name meaning "meat on a stick".
Coul'd just as well had said spinning like a cotton candy cone. Spinning in their graves, as in not being pleased with their offspring was my VERY obvious line of thought here. (which you knew and then decided to go on a tangent to steer the debate in another direction).
But I am not interested in debating the meaning of "kebab" with your sorry ass, Lee. I want to know what the Democrat party is fixing on running on. And a no to Trump platform, while obvious is not enough, what message will they run on?
Fix what he broke is message enough. Fiscal sanity, repairing our alliances abroad, shutting down the trade wars, rejoin the Paris Climate Accords, recover from the Trump Slump (the economic depression which should be in full flower by 2020), etc.
If not on that issue, tell me where and how the USA went "too far to the right". Give specifics, please.
1. Banning travel from various countries, not in actuality because of any danger of terrorism, but because of the main religion of those countries.
2. Attempting to ban people from military service due to their sexual preference.
3. Needlessly separating families at our borders. Yes, Marcus, I do object to that. Especially as those families do not even appear to have been given any due process under the law.
4. Sending conflicting messages on actions taken by white supremacist groups which seem to encourage their racist views.
5. Making deep cuts in our environmental regulations for the benefit of big business that hurt our environment and in the end the American people as a whole.
6. Attempting to roll back health care laws that were intended to provide coverage for the majority of Americans without putting in place anything that will work to take their place because they are partly government subsidized. Actions which even private insurers consider ill advised.
As for a possible Democratic platform, perhaps simply one that supports democracy, actually works to benefit the American people as opposed to just big business and the cronies of the politicians who are in office, will help to protect our environment, supports policies that will not encourage climate change, attempts to enact intelligent tax reform that will not blow up our deficit to the detriment of our children, attempts to intelligently enact policies that do not make our health care problems worse, deals fairly with our friends and allies and does not try to bully them, deals strongly with our adversaries because we do understand they are our adversaries and really do not wish us good, would be a sound place to start?
Lynnette:
"1. Banning travel from various countries, not in actuality because of any danger of terrorism, but because of the main religion of those countries."
There IS a dager of terrorism from specific Muslim nations, there's just no argument against it. It's a fact. (Saudi Arabia should really be at the top of that list and Trump failed on that but still)
"2. Attempting to ban people from military service due to their sexual preference."
Trannies in the fox-hole with you, when your life is on the line? No thanks! There's a reason trannies have sky-high scuicide rates and that's cause they are deranged, believeving somehow that they actually are of another sex than they were born with, and then kill themselves in record numbers. Add hormone treatments to that and you have a seriously messed up group of people.
They can have their place in society, OK. I'd rather see them get treatment from the get go that convinced them they WERE in fact of the gender they were naturally born with. But OK, in a stable society we might accept some deranged people who think they are what they are not.
BUT: do not force sane folks into foxholes with these unstable persons, to the risk of life and limb.
"3. Needlessly separating families at our borders. Yes, Marcus, I do object to that. Especially as those families do not even appear to have been given any due process under the law."
So, you also object to a murderer with kids being "separatad from his kids" when he's locked up and the kids are on the outside?
"4. Sending conflicting messages on actions taken by white supremacist groups which seem to encourage their racist views."
I can't really get into that BC I don't really know which groups you speak of and what Trump did to encourage them.
"5. Making deep cuts in our environmental regulations for the benefit of big business that hurt our environment and in the end the American people as a whole."
OK, one score point for you. I too feel for our environment but my answers would be very far from yourse I bet. (Hint: I feel the plastics in our oceans is the biggest immediate threat).
"6. Attempting to roll back health care laws that were intended to provide coverage for the majority of Americans without putting in place anything that will work to take their place because they are partly government subsidized. Actions which even private insurers consider ill advised. "
I can't say Trump has a great plan on that. But neither did Obama. Obama shuffeling the cost of no-income people to those of median income was bound to cause resentment. (Sanders might well have the best outline for ya'll there, sad that he's a commie and it comes with economic policies that renders it impossible)
Also, for your information Lee and Lynnette, you fail to take into account the "piss off factor".
When a person votes for a more "populist" party, like Trump in the USA or the Sweden Democrats in Sweden they cross a bridge.
And when the "establishment" answers that with calling them idiots, bigots, low class, low intelligence and saying they have low education, their choice really sticks. There's no going back, BC the people who want you back have told you in so many words what they think of you.
Try and see how easy it is to bring them around and vote different after all that HATE. Well they WONT!
So Trump can likely count on more or less the whole crowd who voted for him before and only stand to win MORE supporters. His baseline is what he alrady had. Your's is way, way lower.
" There's no going back, BC…"
There's no bringing them back because they don't wanna come back; they started out not wanting come back. Some of them have indeed crossed a bridge; they are irredeemable. (The solution to them is to wait them out; they'll die off eventually; meantime to remember they vote in higher percentages--the old rules about whether it was important to vote have been altered.)
But, you are incorrect about his prospects. He's already hit his high point. His remaining support is concentrating, gathering in intensity among a steadily reducing number of supporters. His election was a fluke; he has not followed up on that fluke by actually making the faerie tale real; he won't; he can't.
Before Trump's election, George Will, the self-important conservative pundit, wrote that the Republican Party could survive four years of President Hillary Clinton, but it could not survive four years of President Donald Trump. He was correct.
Today Newt Gingrich is writing that the old Republican Party is effectively gone already, and the new one is Trump's Republican Party. He is correct. (Newt does not invoke the spectacle we see today of Republican Senator Ted Cruz, who suffered Trump's attacks on both his wife and his father and who took to the stage of the last Republican convention to basically denounce the nominee Trump, and who is today begging Trump to come to Texas to campaign on his behalf, but the rest of us know of this.)
Trump's Party, Trump and his Trumpkins, have already hit their high point. It's all downhill for them from here. (The exact pitch of the slope will be revealed in the next three months, but it's all downhill for them from here.)/b
Republican Congressman, Rep. Chris Collins of New York, the very first member of the congress to come out in support of Trump back in 2016 has announced today that he is not seeking re-election to his office and is exploring ways to have his name taken off of the ballot for November, so the Trump Republican Party can put somebody else up for his old seat.
Marcus,
As Trump's economic policies start to pinch people financially, and they will, you will see people looking for an alternative to Trump. It has always been about the economy. We are astarting to see a little of that now.
Lynnette
PS
My computer is in the shop again, so I am on my phone.
I notice that FoxNews Sunday spent most of its hour this morning on attacking the DOJ, FBI, and, of course, the Mueller investigation.
It's apparently working with the dedicated Trumpkins, and that's probably all they really expect.
@ Lynnette,
There's a hardware solution for the problem of having to use a cellphone for internet connection. It's known as OTG (‛On The Go); I don't know why it's called that, but that's what they call it. Wiki page You get yourself a USB keyboard and mouse (findable cheap, Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, etc., either wired or wireless) and an OTG cable (come in various lengths from 6 inches to several feet long at prices running from a $1.00 or so to maybe $8.00, depending--findable all over the internet).
And that easy you got a full sized keyboard that will work with your cellphone.
You want further info, you got my e-mail address.
Post Script:
There's also one piece OTG adapters--no longer than an inch or two.
There's a hardware solution for the problem of having to use a cellphone for internet connection.
Thank you, Lee. That's good to know. Hopefully, I won't have to do that too much in the future. Typing on a cell phone for a full comment is kind of a pain.
It seems that there is another former Trump administration staffer who was fired and has written a book, Omarosa's Unhinged. Although, like her employer before her, her accuracy may be in question.
I'm not fully up to speed on the Turkish legal system where, apparently, ‛pro-government lawyers’ can apparently file criminal charges, but, that peculiarity aside, it appears that ‛pro-government lawyers’ in Turkey have filed criminal charges against several ranking American officers at the Incrilik Air Base and against American generals at CENTCOM (which would put the generals in either Florida or Qatar). BusinessInsider The officers are accused of terrorism related offenses (corresponding to American crimes of aiding and abetting or some such thing I'd guess.) So far there doesn't appear to have been any attempts made to actually arrest any of the named officers. If that happens the situation could deteriorate rapidly I'd reckon.
John is a nice common name. It covers a wide swath.
Lee, you were holding out on me! I've always wanted to read Ali Al-Wardi. And it was nice to see a post again from Omar.
I was under the impression that you knew about Omar's blog.
TrumpTweets: With only a brief aside to call former aid Omarosa Manigault Newman a ‛dog’, Trump is all wound up over his ‛Russia’ problem this morning. Major carryin’ on ‛bout it.
Lee: "There's no bringing them back because they don't wanna come back; they started out not wanting come back. Some of them have indeed crossed a bridge; they are irredeemable."
You realise you talk about a plurality of Americans here, don't you? Not a majority, but the plurality that voted Trump into office.
Lee: "But, you are incorrect about his prospects. He's already hit his high point. His remaining support is concentrating, gathering in intensity among a steadily reducing number of supporters. His election was a fluke; he has not followed up on that fluke by actually making the faerie tale real; he won't; he can't."
They said the same about the Sweden Democrats when they breached our 4% wall to get into parliament and got 5.7% in 2010. In 2014 they got 13.2% even thouh all media had them as a one off party. We have an election coming in just about a month and SD WILL pass 20%, and my own analysis is that they will pass 25% and become the biggest party in parliament. Bet that.
I know, I know, Swedens elections have no bearing on the US ones. But ONE thing is the same, the pollsters get things fucking wrong BC they are not in touch with the PEOPLE.
So I'd think Trump and trumpist republicans is not doing near so bad as you would have it. I believe they'll shock you at the midterms and in 2022 Trump will get a second period. Bet that too.
"You realise you talk about a plurality of Americans
here, don't you? Not a majority, but the plurality that
voted Trump into office."
I don't know whether your English has failed you, or your memory has failed you. But, Hillary won the plurality, with 48%, almost three million more votes than Trump received (at around 46% for Trump).
Whichever was your failure, you are, quite simply, wrong.
You start out wrong, high probability you didn't draw the correct conclusions from the wrong beginnings.
And here's a treat for ya'll multikulti fuckers from just last night in Gothenburg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOGe02pjE-g
80 plus cars burned there, 20 more in Stockholm, only about five in Malmö (BC the arabs in Malmö are in a shooting gang war and have no time for arson). A few in Uppsala and a copuple of random ones around the country.
Aint multikulti great! This sort of DIVERSITY and ENRICHMENT never happened during my ethno-swedish youth. But it's all so EXCING nowadays, with this multikulti. Ain't it great?!
Lee: "I don't know whether your English has failed you, or your memory has failed you. But, Hillary won the plurality, with 48%, almost three million more votes than Trump received (at around 46% for Trump).
Whichever was your failure, you are, quite simply, wrong."
OK, plurality of the electorates then. My point still stands. (my memory failed me). Point's the same though.
"Point's the same though."
Nobody had ever lost the election by that many votes and yet still pulled out win at the electoral college. A margin that large had never happened before, probably won't be happening again in our lifetimes. It was a fluke.
It'll only be a few months before you're face to face with that.
Lee: "Nobody had ever lost the election by that many votes and yet still pulled out win at the electoral college. A margin that large had never happened before, probably won't be happening again in our lifetimes. It was a fluke."
Of course it can happen again, unless yall's electorate system is changed. If you go for one man one vote and screw the electorate system it will surely never happen again. Then you will get a pro immigration, open borders one party system, suppored by tthe vast numbers of people in NYC and California.
But as long as the electorate system is in place, and it is, and I have seen no moves against that, then Trumpism is a go, fur sure.
And IF you would chose to change that, well then some, many folks would feel under siege, and what do you do when under siege?
I ask of you Lee, since countries like Uganda obviously have the right to remain Ugandian ruled and Ugandian polulated: is there in your mind ANY place on earh than can be a white mans refuge, where the white man can rule and live in peace without others coming into his domain?
"…many folks would feel under siege…"
Many folks already felt under siege; that's what got us Trump in the first place. Thing is, they weren't even a plurality even then, and his favorability rating has gone down since then. He's shedding supporters even as the remaining supporters become even more intensely committed to him. But, he needs more supporters, not fewer more fanatical supporters.
He's takin’ it the wrong way.
If you want to find a white man's refuge that's your problem not mine. I'm an American. "All men are created equal."
Although, it pops into my mind that you might consider moving to Russia; they seem to be headed the way you wanna go.
It's getting bad enough that we got writers at the NationalReview (founded by William F. Buckley) begging the members of the Republican ‛establishment’ not to abandon them ("them" being the dedicated Trumpkins and the groveling partisans who're trying to hold on to him) for the Democrats.
No, Marcus, he's not gonna pull out another win in 2020; and meantime he's gonna lose the House, and maybe even the Senate, in less than three months, and after that they're gonna start abandoning him in droves.
Lee: "No, Marcus, he's not gonna pull out another win in 2020; and meantime he's gonna lose the House, and maybe even the Senate, in less than three months, and after that they're gonna start abandoning him in droves."
Nope, he's for sure gonna hold onto the Senate. Probably also the House (and even if he did lose the House that wouldn't be very unusual for a siting President), but I kinda think he'll hold on to the House too.
And also: abandoning for WHAT?
What does the Repubican Party have to offer if Trump goes down? They have thrown Chrisitianity away, they accept trannies and the gender confused as all Gods children. They have thrown self reliance away, globalism is the key now. They still root for any and every war that suits Netanyahu at the cost of the american tax payer.
How are they even right wing any longer?
WO Trump what is there even left to vote on? Same shit, different day is all.
Doesn't seem to be any point in trying to talk sense to you on this subject.
We'll just havta wait you out--early November, less than three months. I can wait.
Paul Manafort didn't call any witnesses in his trial in Virginia. The prosecution called its last witnesses Monday afternoon and turned it over to the defense. The defense rested without calling a single witness.
Lookin’ like Manafort's throwing it all in on a bet he'll get that pardon from Trump.
Me too Lee, me too.
Meanwhile, an English source on the mayhem in Gothenburg Yesterday:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/14/europe/sweden-cars-burned-intl/index.html
As for the analysis I cen help ya'll with that. School starts in about a week after a 10 week leave. The desert monkeys have just about had it with no outside stimulance and they chimp out, same as they do every year.
Sometimes it's just by a little sometimes by a lot, but the monkeys will chimp out and do so every year.
This year they started out with a bang. Usually it's a few cars burned, then wait for the fire brigade and police and throw stones att the to escalate.
But this year the dune coons and their jungle like accomplices apperently sought to start off with a bang. Let's see how that turns out.
I was under the impression that you knew about Omar's blog.
Yes, but he posts so infrequently that I kind of stopped checking.
The Republican civil war rages on.
The sitting Republican governor of Kansas has been taken out, in the Republican primary, by Trumpkin loyalist, and semi-kook, Kris Kobach. It was close, but the governor conceded tonight. Bloomberg
The Democrats think this offers them a chance to pick up the governor's spot in Kansas. (Kansas basically has had three political parties since the early 1900's. One set of ‛establishment’ semi-moderate Republicans; one set of right-winger crazies--most of whom have joined the Trump Train these days--; and a smaller set of Democrats. When the Republicans nominate right-winger crazie types the moderate Republicans often vote for the Democrat instead. This is how Democrat Kathleen Sebelius managed to be elected governor of Kansas twice in the early 2000's. This is probably what the future holds for Trump and the dedicated Trumpkins--losses to the Democrats because they've shrunk the party back to the base crazies.)
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